Is going all catless on a na fa20 motor such a good idea?

[Noob4Life]

Originally Posted by arghx7

It's pretty disingenuous to shame people for going catless when "high flow cats" drastically increase emissions. And I mean drastically. They have poor precious metal loading and they don't light off for shit.

You're hurting the environment too. At least admit it.

Then how is it a properly warmed up quality hf cat can still pass californias sniffer test? Yes your emissions will increase going from a 400 cell cat to a 200. Thats a dead giveaway, but your arguing that you might as well go catless because of that? In the end we still avoid everybody having to smell that gas and we're still doing what we can to keep emissions down.

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[sierra]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

Then how is it a properly warmed up hf cat can still pass californias sniffer test?

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I'm reading up on this and as long as the HF cat is built to the correct standard and placed close enough to the headers it's going to do a similar job to the stock cat/s.

Everyone has followed cars with the cats deleted and it's that bad you either have to overtake or drop back a long way if you don't hit the recirculate and windows fast enough.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by Captain Insano

Thanks for your concern. It is not illegal where I live.

Which states allow you to take a near new car, remove the emission control equipment and drive it legally?

[Noob4Life]

Originally Posted by sierra

Which states allow you to take a near new car, remove the emission control equipment and drive it legally?

There are a few states with little to no emissions laws. Ohio and texas are a couple that I know of. Thats where you see alot of modified v8s running full straight pipes or exhaust dumps, engine swaps and 1000+hp bolt on turbo kits riding down public streets and not getting pulled over for it. Emissions equipment is there for the states with strict emissions such as CA, the non emissions states just see it as restrictive features they dont need yet are paying for anyways.

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[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by arghx7

It's pretty disingenuous to shame people for going catless when "high flow cats" drastically increase emissions. And I mean drastically. They have poor precious metal loading and they don't light off for shit.

You're hurting the environment too. At least admit it.

Don't forget about all the crap that comes out the back when over-fuelling to keep the cat cool, too.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by Noob4Life

There are a few states with little to no emissions laws. Ohio and texas are a couple that I know of. Thats where you see alot of modified v8s running full straight pipes or exhaust dumps, engine swaps and 1000+hp bolt on turbo kits riding down public streets and not getting pulled over for it. Emissions equipment is there for the states with strict emissions such as CA, the non emissions states just see it as restrictive features they dont need yet are paying for anyways.

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I thought only third world countries would have few if any environmental controls.
That's truly amazing that the federal? government doesn't control the basic commonsense requirements that other countries assume the US abides by.

Thanks for the feedback.

[troek]

bicycles have pretty low emissions from what i hear.

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by djliquidsteele

I don't know about you but I love the smell of E85 in the morning. Am I still destroying the earth with E85? What about if I'm sitting next to some douche in a 4x4 blowing coal? Who's the asswipe now? How about all the Hot Rods that come to hot rod nationals? Whos the bigger douche? Me or some 5 liter monster putting out just a smidge more HP than my 2.0 liter? Seriously? COme one guys. I'm reminded of the South Park episode where all the prius drivers in San Francisco are smelling their own fart like their shit don't stink. Get real.

Are you catless? If so, you are all douches

[jamesm]

i can't see the logic in replacing a cat with another cat. they're only there to appease the hippies, might as well just ditch them. if you think the smell is too much, you should grab your purse and go home . maybe pick up a prius on the way so you won't feel so guilty lol.

it just doesn't make any sense to pay additional $ for the benefit of having what amounts to a honeycomb restrictor in your new aftermarket exhaust. granted i'm turbo'ed and live in the free state of florida, so the math may be a bit different for an NA guy living in the people's republik.

[SkAsphalt]

Originally Posted by jamesm

i can't see the logic in replacing a cat with another cat. they're only there to appease the hippies, might as well just ditch them. if you think the smell is too much, you should grab your purse and go home . maybe pick up a prius on the way so you won't feel so guilty lol.

it just doesn't make any sense to pay additional $ for the benefit of having what amounts to a honeycomb restrictor in your new aftermarket exhaust. granted i'm turbo'ed and live in the free state of florida, so the math may be a bit different for an NA guy living in the people's republik.

You're killing your states Oranges

and all the old people

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by SkAsphalt

You're killing your states Oranges

and all the old people

and that's a bad thing? well, the oranges are a loss i suppose...

florida has no emissions laws at all and is probably one of the cleanest places in the country (at least in terms of air quality). we don't stuff millions people into a few-square-mile valley like they do in CA. different places require different solutions to different problems.

the pisser of it is that because of economies of scale, our cars come with all of the compromises/drawbacks necessary to solve a problem we don't have.

[clayrush]

If your truly care about the environment, you can save it by not existing at all.

[I1]

Originally Posted by sierra

I thought only third world countries would have few if any environmental controls.
That's truly amazing that the federal? government doesn't control the basic commonsense requirements that other countries assume the US abides by.

Thanks for the feedback.

No, it's not truly amazing at all. It's called economics. California has the strictest emissions laws since they're shooting for a socialist utopia, so vehicle manufacturers build to the strictest common denominator since it makes good business sense to do that than have 50 different builds, one for each state. Mass production, friend. So, with that in mind, why would someone like myself in Minnesota with no emissions laws to worry about be forced into sticking with those emission controls?

It looks like you're in Australia, so I'll try to keep it basic without sounding like a snob or douche or anything. We're a collection of states with each state regulating itself when dealing with business that is conducted in-state, while the federal government has ultimate jurisdiction to regulate business that happens between states. So if I live in Minnesota, and buy from a Minnesotan dealership, the feds don't get a say in the emission controls I have to use in my state. Now, it gets a little dicey when talking about federal gas mileage requirements for a car company, but that stuff still only pertains to allowing the distribution/sale of the vehicle, not the continued use of it.

I hope that somewhat clears things up as to American freedoms. Also, if you're worried about emissions and saving the planet, push for a switch to nukes or go bother China. Either way, good luck in your adventures, and quit trying to rain on other people's parade if they want to ditch their cats.

[Noob4Life]

Originally Posted by jamesm

and that's a bad thing? well, the oranges are a loss i suppose...

florida has no emissions laws at all and is probably one of the cleanest places in the country (at least in terms of air quality). we don't stuff millions people into a few-square-mile valley like they do in CA. different places require different solutions to different problems.

the pisser of it is that because of economies of scale, our cars come with all of the compromises/drawbacks necessary to solve a problem we don't have.

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