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Old 11-12-2015, 01:13 PM   #6665
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Wait until next weekend and you'll see my 210 vs 335 comparison
Once you get numbers and more info, feel free to fill in this Google Docs spread sheet as it's missing a lot of info lots of us would appreciate.
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Old 11-13-2015, 05:28 AM   #6666
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Will do bud
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Old 11-13-2015, 12:14 PM   #6667
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so the only way to check it is to use the dipstick with the nearly invisible oil?
The Jon Bond oil isn't clear, it's a dark grey, so that's a bonus.
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Old 11-13-2015, 12:24 PM   #6668
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Thinking about pulling the trigger on a 210/335.. The 210 is a reliable kit on stock internals, but I feel like the 335 is a bit much and could mess stuff up, with stock motor. The reasons I'd run a 335 is that you're working less to achieve the same results as a 335 (aka turned down) and there for it'll produce less heat in the process... Because I've heard that's the one issue with the 210.
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Any idea if the 210+ blower's coatings help with heat and oil consumption?
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Old 11-13-2015, 06:05 PM   #6670
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Once you get numbers and more info, feel free to fill in this Google Docs spread sheet as it's missing a lot of info lots of us would appreciate.
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If I ever get my car to the dyno, I'll add to the list. Thanks for putting it up
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Figured I'd share my experience with the 335. The car had 69k miles on it before it seen the supercharger and 3k after. Supporting mods are a fill 2.5" exhaust, larger injectors, fuel pump and a tune from moto east and 5w-30. The rest is completly stock right down to the tires. The transmission is an automatic. I was concerned about the stcok motor holding up so I went with an 85mm pulley and e85.

Driving the car is a blast! The throttle response is instant even at speeds below 2k rpm, its like having a v8 in the car. There is enough power keep the tracion control working through second gear and tranny rarely needs to down shift at highway speeds. I have been averaging 23 -24 mpg with a mix of stop and go highway traffic, back roads and a heavy right foot.

The only issue I have had is that I live in Michigan and I really need to put the car up before the weather gets too much worse.
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The tweaked rotor pack does help lower the blower temperature.

Oil consumption can be a number of contradicting issues---abuse, not enough use, low oil, too much oil. The point is to check it regularly and during or after racing events or long trips.

Glad to hear the 335 works so well on the auto. I was curious how they would hold up over the long term. I would not be shy about building one of those up. It should be easier on the engine and rear end.

(BTW, I am currently on family medical leave and will return to OKC in a couple of weeks. --Gary)
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Old 11-14-2015, 07:56 PM   #6673
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Any idea if the 210+ blower's coatings help with heat and oil consumption?
Not sure on the oil consumption but we have seen an obvious increase in efficiency of the system. Usually we see about 10-15 more horsepower on the same size pulley. You do need to tweak the tune a bit for the 210+ kit but on E85 this package rips pretty good.

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So I've decided to pull the trigger and pickup a 210 Intercooled kit. My questions are: what else do people recommend? Smaller pulley - 70mm? What catch can setup? (Do I need to drain them.. or is there a system for re-routing them?), map sensors or just use stock? anything else I might be missing?
Do not change the MAP sensor, as we use the MAF sensor for scaling the fuel and ignition tables. The MAP sensor loaction on these kits is in a poor placement and causes unstable readings at high RPM's and loads. So keeping the smaller MAP sensor in removes this issues and keeps the power curves smooth.

While supplies last we offer 69mm pulleys. We have only a few left and once they are gone, we will not be getting anymore.

Flex Fuel Kits on these cars are great and work with the stock injectors up to our 69mm pulley. Delicious Tuning Flex Fuel Kit

Put all this together an you will be over 300whp on E85 and still on stock injectors and clutch. But this is about the limit for those parts.

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Well, no access to flexfuel in the Baltimore area, so that's out of the question, but we will be switching to 550cc injectors. So 69mm w/ 550cc injectors + 93 oct tune, full exhaust (catless header/catted frontpipe/n1) what do you think I'll be looking at?
You're looking at a very loud car that puts up numbers about 250-260whp. You don't need injectors at all unless you go with e85 or the 335 kit instead.
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You're looking at a very loud car that puts up numbers about 250-260whp. You don't need injectors at all unless you go with e85 or the 335 kit instead.
Lol. It's already loud on N/A. Kit comes with larger injectors, might as well put 'em on. ;D
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