Registry Thread: Failure After J02 Recall

[maslin]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

I'm convinced they won't even do the work. I'm going to ask the tech to take a photo of the head or engine removed and send it to me. I'll mark the cowl so I know the pic is from my car

Every failure I’ve seen on here sounds like a failed rod or main bearing. Almost 100% chance the sealant is either being removed or applied incorrectly.

A failed valve spring does not take out bearings. Best case you don’t even notice, middle of the road you have a misfire on the failed cylinder, worst case the valve drops and seizes the engine. None of those involve the rod or main bearings.

The mode of failure from bad springs to these blown engines is completely different. If the work wasn’t even done the engines wouldn’t be blowing up.

[Brink]

Originally Posted by NCtoBRZ

This might give some credence to the concerns that some owners voiced over having Toyota techs work on boxer engines that they are not very familiar with vs. Subaru techs who work on boxers every day. Unfortunately, it isn’t as if the Scion owners have the choice to go to a Subaru dealer for this recall.

My thoughts exactly once it was pointed out that it's only FR-S owners in this thread.

[murdoc]

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

This does not bode well for my existing mistrust
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=854

They'll probably have to tag and hold on to the original valves in case toyota wants the parts back. Otherwise they don't get paid for the job.

[Kwaziekeller]

Vehicle mileage: 84.5k mi
Vehicle make: Scion
Vehicle mileage after recall: ~200mi
Symptoms: intermittent failure to start, hiccup/hesitation at certain rpm range, stalling on interstate
Failure: not applicable (yet?)
State: Arkansas (Landers Toyota)
Dealer offering repair: unknown

I got it home and an hour later it would crank, fire, then immediately die. I quit after about 10 tries and resetting the ECU. About an hour later, I went to make a video to send to a friend (who works at the dealership) and it started right up.

The next morning I drove it 2.5mi into town. Car ran fine. On the way home, with the cruise set at 80 (3500rpm in 6th), it hiccuped/bogged/hesitated a couple of times, then started to almost non stop. I pulled into the breakdown lane and was coasting, cruise control disengaged and I tried to give it some gas since it was slowing and it didn't respond at all. As I was coasting down the next exit, the car died. I restarted it at the end of the ramp, it died. I eventually limped it into a parking lot and had my laptop with me, so I pulled the codes (CEL came on when the car stalled, but didn't at any time before). The code was P1235, High Pressure Fuel Pump Circuit. I limped it home.

The next day I took it out and was datalogging. Around 3500rpm it seemed to be hitting fuel cut (Fuel Inj #1 pulse width, injection time direct final, injection time port final, and PI injector duty all dropped to 0!!), independent of gear or engine load. The CEL had reset from the car running "ok" for a few startups. I made an appointment to take it back to the dealer.

Being that the tech broke the connector on the passenger side exhaust oil control valve/variable valve timing solenoid when my recall was being performed, and I had to wait an additional 4-5 weeks for them to get one in, I figured I would check some connections. Being that the car was intermittently having issues I was thinking it was a short. I disconnected and blew air on all of the connectors for the high pressure/direct injector control unit (small box with 4 connectors mounted to the passenger side engine bracket), looking for a bent pin or damaged wire. Then I checked the 3 mounting bolts, they were snug, but not tight. I tightened them. Sounds trivial, but the DICU (idk its proper abbreviated name) grounds to the bracket with the bolts. Then I reset the ECU (disconnect negative terminal from battery. Drain electricity with brakes/dome light etc), and reset the trouble codes (I did see a U0100 before I reset it which is a communication error).

I have driven the car for 2 days now (~100mi), numerous WOT pulls through multiple gears, cruise at 80mph just like before etc... and it has been running perfectly. I'm not sure I'm "in the clear" yet, but the car has been fine since I looked into it.

[Hypnocracy]

Vehicle Mileage: 115853
Vehicle Make: FR-S
Mileage After Recall Performed: 112000 ish
Symptom(s): CEL and Slip Indicator Light on; sluggish throttle response and strange AT transmission gear selection (down shifting early)
Failure: P0011 Bank 1 Intake Camshaft Position Timing was advanced beyond limits of a predetermined period of time
State: Van York Toyota High Point NC
Dealership Offering Repair:tbd


This after they took two weeks for the initial valve safety recall. Going in to see what the reaction of the service department will be this morning.

Update: they changed the oil - ran test mode for five minutes - no new CEL issues - changed oil again & told me to be back at 5000 for another oil change & evaluation

[ka-t_240]

Originally Posted by BlackOptics

Vehicle Mileage: 64,959
Vehicle Make: Scion FR-S 2013
Mileage After Recall Performed:64960 (dealership misread mileage and tried to say 64596 so this may not be accurate.)
Symptom(s): Engine knocking CEL and Trac lights on after less than two days of driving and less than 100 miles. Happened while in traffic.
Failure: No catastrophic, but hard for engine to turn over, and dealer saying to replace the entire engine. Scaring on camshafts, cam tower, and damaged rod bearings.
State: Vancouver, Washington, USA
Dealership Offering Repair: McCords Vancouver Toyota.

I would also like to add that they refused to check the source of the cause after only checking to see if they installed the valve springs correctly, and blamed it on the oil filter and/or engine abuse.

Edit: As of now I've told Toyota to shove it as they want to charge 8k to drop a used engine from LKQ into my car, and bought directly from LKQ for the same engine they tried selling me, but for 1k less than Toyota's asking price, and took it to a trusted mechanic with 35 years experience. I would tell anyone in my area to stay clear of that dealership, and to not get the recall done on yours. From what I've seen it is more of a risk to your car than leaving them in.

Did you call Toyota Corporation? Seems like something they should pic up the bill for. If you havent already started work, I'd hold off until speaking to them. Or ask your dealership to speak directly to their regional rep.

[Pinoy_FRS]

Vehicle Mileage: ~105xxx

Vehicle Make: Scion

Mileage After Recall Performed: ~500

Symptom(s): About 30 minutes into driving the same day I picked up my car after the recall service was preformed my check engine and slight light came on. Car was driving sluggish in the higher rpms. Brought it back and turned out to be a bad oil control valve.

Got my car again and drove it for about two weeks. One day driving home on the highway I downshifted from 6th to 5th and hear this huge clanking noise. As I was pulling over the car slowly dies on the side on the highway. Couldn’t get it to start so I called a tow. As I was waiting I tried to start it and it turned over but there was a very loud knock coming from the motor. Immediately shut it off and that was the end of that.

Failure: Complete engine failure (spun rod bearing)

State: NY

Dealership Offering Repair: Yes, my service advisor told me whatever happened to my engine was catastrophic and that I did have a spun rod bearing as I predicted prior to talking with him before. They explained how they couldn’t relate my engine failure with the recall service but the the incident was so close to when I had my car serviced that Toyota offered me a new short block with installation as well as a loaner for the time being (~3-4 weeks)

[Jeffsu350]

Add me to the list.

67k miles.
Scion FRS

Drove 33 miles and then parked it for 2 days. Went to start it and it starts and immediately dies. Throttle pedal results in nothing. Did this 5-7 times and then towed to the dealership

Hopefully the figure it out and cover my tow.

Dealer claims it’s related to a service bulletin for high pressure fuel pump and a reflash fixed it right up. I should pick it back up tomorrow.

[Ichima]

Vehicle Mileage: 94k
Vehicle Make: brz
Mileage After Recall Performed: 400 miles
Symptom(s): knocking and fast ticks. Car struggles to start up. Check and alip light on p0016.
Failure:tbd
State:ct
Dealership Offering repair: tbd
https://m.facebook.com/groups/334152...=group_comment

[msaikhan]

Vehicle Mileage:120k
Vehicle Make: frs
Mileage After Recall Performed: under 100,
returned to dealer after J02 recall for oil leak, replaced engine
gasket, rod knock next morning after picking it up.

Symptom(s): rod knock on cold start and when slowing down in gear
Failure:rod bearings
State:va
Dealership Offering Repair: waiting for a call from GM to set something.


I took it to a shop who knows what they are doing to get it diagnosed. The tech said it probably came from the Toyota dealer tech not disconnecting the fuel and crank it dry to lubricate the engine, before firing it up.

[Dynames05]

Vehicle Mileage: 124,361
Vehicle Make: BRZ
Mileage After Recall Performed: roughly 200
Symptom(s): loud ticking on left side of engine, different weird noise on right side. Also tech broke manifold decroative cover
Failure:tbd
State:PA
Dealership Offering Repair:Recall done at Calkins, going to take it back after work.

I was at my usual mechanic trying to find the location of a squeak when turning the wheel right at speeds below 5mph when I noticed the manifold cover was loose. When I took it off the front snap was broken and someone trying to glue it back together. Also noticed that there were two different sides froming from different sides of the block. The left side was a ticking noise he said sounded like valve knock, the other side was a noise I hadn't heard before.

Car seems to drive fine, but when its cold it is sluggish compared to before I took it in. After reading this thread I'm both scared and upset about what might happen.

[Smoke Destructer]

Vehicle Mileage: 64K
Vehicle Make: Scion
Mileage After Recall Performed: 200ish? not entire certain
Symptom(s): New and weird clacking/engine noises, oil leak from "cam ladder" according to the tech
Failure: Dealership hasn't been entirely clear, but it sounds like some kind of oil starvation issue
State: NC
Dealership Offering Repair: Currently offering me engine replacement with either a used motor from LKQ or a new shortblock, at no cost to me.

Feeling pretty gutted right now, got the call that the engine was done for last night. It feels super shitty, but I'm considering taking this opportunity to exit the platform and pursue an aggressive trade in deal through the dealer, "you broke it you buy it" kind of thing. I don't really want to have to deal with trying to potentially sell the car down the line after a bunch of major engine work...

[Ongor]

Vehicle Mileage: 67k km
Vehicle Make: Scion/Toyota
Mileage After Recall Performed: 390km
Symptom(s): Couldnt start it, thought it was the battery. Boosted it. Then knocking faintly, then became louder and louder, loss of power, engine shutdown. No engine check, no oil light, temp meter normal (half way).
Failure: TBD, Dealer removed the engine but didn't investigate further.
State: Dead
Is Dealership Offering Repair: TBD, they are now waiting to talk with Toyota Corporate.
Dealership: Toyota Spinelli Pointe-Claire, Montreal, QC, Canada.

Update on 14-03-2019: Dealer said Toyota Corp asked them to remove the oil pan and take pictures of the oil, and the pickup screen. I asked to have the pictures, they said "yes, np" but didn't send them my way (that was yesterday).

Update on 15-03-2019: Dealer finally sent a picture of the oil pickup screen.

Update on 18-03-2019: Dealer is offering a replacement short block with a 3 month and 5000km warranty... They still haven't opened the engine to know the extent of the failure.

Update on 26-03-2019: I double checked my extended warranty, It expires April 9th 2020. For some reason, the dealer didn't know I had an extended warranty. They still haven't opened the engine, but seem to be keen on changing the block.. I'm talking to them to have them do a thorough analysis of the rest of the engine before doing anything. It's been 3 weeks without a car (no loaner from the dealer).

Update on 14-05-2019: The dealer replaced the block, camshafts and valves, and built the engine. It took about 2 months. I have been driving the car, it feels good so far. 900km after, it is still going good. It feels like the car is making less noise than before the recall. All i can hear now is the noise from the valves, and the idle is quite nicer. Hopefully it stays the same.

[Andxzng]

Vehicle Mileage: 93300 km
Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion Frs
Mileage After Recall Performed: 20 Km
Symptom(s): Loud knock, power loss, engine idle dip
Failure: spun bearing #2
State: At dealer for 2 weeks, not drivable
Is Dealership Offering Repair: yes, contacting Toyota Japan for potential repair. Looking at recall for 2013 motors.