Why are all the headers sold out?

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Buy used, keep waiting, or actually call and ask them what their lead times are. I dunno about JDL but most of the manufacturers I deal with are 2-3 times normal lead time and market demand is currently higher then normal.

I guess I’ll call JDL Monday. I’m stil unsure why they only have EL headers for sale instead of UEL especially since they’re made to order. Also their turbo kit is UEL so it doesn’t make sense.


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[dynarun55]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

I guess I’ll call JDL Monday. I’m stil unsure why they only have EL headers for sale instead of UEL especially since they’re made to order. Also their turbo kit is UEL so it doesn’t make sense.


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[2020BRZtS]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

This is lame. I couldn’t even get an OEM radiator and was forced to get a Mishimoto because all OEM Subaru radiators were out of stock in the country.


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How are you determining OEM radiators are out of stock across the country? This site shows they are available.

https://www.subarupartsdeal.com/part...5111ca000.html

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by dynarun55

Please let us know what you find !!

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I got you.


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[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

How are you determining OEM radiators are out of stock across the country? This site shows they are available.

https://www.subarupartsdeal.com/part...5111ca000.html

When I called 2 Subaru dealerships in Atlanta they said they had none and all warehouses were out until the end of may or June and I called them in April.


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[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

They had headers in stock the end of last year.

End of last year means they were imported Q2 into Q3, which means in the middle of 2021 the shipping rates were high but not absurd.

Spot rates for a 20' container was anywhere from $15-30k in Q1 of this year, depending on what port it sailed from. That is about double from last summer and 4x what it was normally.

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

So? Stainless is hard to get and most grades have almost doubled in cost over the last year alone. I have open orders with vendors that are a year old and lead times on new orders upwards of 73 weeks out.

And the reason for this is because many importers have a fixed cost structure that could not account for sudden changes in pricing and are sort of waiting it out, otherwise they will lose a lot of money.

Or they're waiting it out to "raise" MSRP and also have customers cancel orders at old prices.

Coupled with the fact that the JPY plunged in value over the last 90 days and it's just making some vendors hurt more.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by mav1178

End of last year means they were imported Q2 into Q3, which means in the middle of 2021 the shipping rates were high but not absurd.

Spot rates for a 20' container was anywhere from $15-30k in Q1 of this year, depending on what port it sailed from. That is about double from last summer and 4x what it was normally.



And the reason for this is because many importers have a fixed cost structure that could not account for sudden changes in pricing and are sort of waiting it out, otherwise they will lose a lot of money.

Or they're waiting it out to "raise" MSRP and also have customers cancel orders at old prices.

Coupled with the fact that the JPY plunged in value over the last 90 days and it's just making some vendors hurt more.

If I would have known it’d be like this I would have bought up all headers I could and be selling them now. It’s funny the only headers you can get now are the ft86speedfactory ones and I’ve been told by too many tuners to stay away from them because they flow worse than the OEM exhaust manifold.


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[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

If I would have known

if you can predict the future then none of us would be here...

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by mav1178

End of last year means they were imported Q2 into Q3, which means in the middle of 2021 the shipping rates were high but not absurd.

Spot rates for a 20' container was anywhere from $15-30k in Q1 of this year, depending on what port it sailed from. That is about double from last summer and 4x what it was normally.



And the reason for this is because many importers have a fixed cost structure that could not account for sudden changes in pricing and are sort of waiting it out, otherwise they will lose a lot of money.

Or they're waiting it out to "raise" MSRP and also have customers cancel orders at old prices.

Coupled with the fact that the JPY plunged in value over the last 90 days and it's just making some vendors hurt more.

I’m on the loose a lot of money end since we have to honor sales agreements already signed. At least shipping is coming back down. I’m getting rates of 11-14k for full 40’s now less taxes and duties depending on weight and port of loading.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I’m on the loose a lot of money end since we have to honor sales agreements already signed. At least shipping is coming back down. I’m getting rates of 11-14k for full 40’s now less taxes and duties depending on weight and port of loading.

That sounds expensive.


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[mav1178]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I’m on the loose a lot of money end since we have to honor sales agreements already signed. At least shipping is coming back down. I’m getting rates of 11-14k for full 40’s now less taxes and duties depending on weight and port of loading.

Yeah the China lockdown has really made rates sink. Hopefully when my stuff needs to be moved in 2-3 weeks the rates will be $10k, back to double my initial estimate...

could be worse. A friend lost $40M overnight when Trump announced tariffs from China in 2017/18 because she had 40+ 40' of raw material already inbound on the ocean.

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

That sounds expensive.

Yeah there's a lot you have no idea about. It's very VERY complicated, people seem to think it just happens like magic when in reality it's careful planning over the course of decades, disrupted within a matter of months and will take upwards of 5-10 years to get back to normal.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

That sounds expensive.


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That’s down 5k from 6-8 weeks ago but still almost double 2019 numbers.

[Howaitoguru]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

That’s down 5k from 6-8 weeks ago but still almost double 2019 numbers.

So our government has fucked all portions of the market not just food, gas, and housing?


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[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Howaitoguru

So our government has fucked all portions of the market not just food, gas, and housing?

keep thinking this is a government created problem.

I also have a bridge to sell you.