Bad tranny - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Retrorv · 10-09-2018, 06:32 PM

I bought my 14 FR-s in May 2014. It has 46,000 miles on it. Other than having to replace the blower motor, its been trouble free-until yesterday. Got in the car in the morning and clutch pedal was spongy, the engine whined when I engaged the clutch at a stop, and the car stalled when engaging the clutch at stops and going forward. So the clutch is shot, the flywheel needs to be resurfaced, and all the rest that comes with this. $1500.00! I've been driving a stick on and off for 44 years and have never had a problem-and I owned a '77 Mazda RX-2 once! I don't ride the clutch, put it in neutral at stops, don't rest my hand on the stick, and avoid down shifting if I can. Anyone else have problems with the transmission?

HKz · 10-09-2018, 06:59 PM

avoid downshifting...?...if that was a concern on your mind I don't think you were that comfortable with a stick! I've put 50 K on my '16, my first DD with a stick, and I engine brake by rowing down all the gears every day on my commute to work...no issues. If you do it properly there should be very minuscule wear.. The only somewhat common drivetrain issue has been the TOB for pre-17s..

wolffbite · 10-09-2018, 07:22 PM

I agree this seems to be a throwout bearing failure from the info given. When getting the replacement work done make sure they get the revised p/n (#30502AA150) for the newer TOB.

Also have to agree with above... downshifting doesn't kill clutches, improper downshifting does (not rev-matching).

Tcoat · 10-09-2018, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Retrorv

I bought my 14 FR-s in May 2014. It has 46,000 miles on it. Other than having to replace the blower motor, its been trouble free-until yesterday. Got in the car in the morning and clutch pedal was spongy, the engine whined when I engaged the clutch at a stop, and the car stalled when engaging the clutch at stops and going forward. So the clutch is shot, the flywheel needs to be resurfaced, and all the rest that comes with this. $1500.00! I've been driving a stick on and off for 44 years and have never had a problem-and I owned a '77 Mazda RX-2 once! I don't ride the clutch, put it in neutral at stops, don't rest my hand on the stick, and avoid down shifting if I can. Anyone else have problems with the transmission?

Your TOB went for a crap and took everything with it. It is pretty common actually and they changed the part in 16. They usually give a warning squeal but some have died a silent death. I have been driving stick almost continuously for 45 years (beat you by 1) and this is the second clutch I have ever had to replace due to that damned TOB. The only other clutch I had to replace was in a 58 Ford and the the damn things could have been 40 years old for all I knew.

humfrz · 10-09-2018, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Retrorv

I bought my 14 FR-s in May 2014. It has 46,000 miles on it. Other than having to replace the blower motor, its been trouble free-until yesterday. Got in the car in the morning and clutch pedal was spongy, the engine whined when I engaged the clutch at a stop, and the car stalled when engaging the clutch at stops and going forward. So the clutch is shot, the flywheel needs to be resurfaced, and all the rest that comes with this. $1500.00! I've been driving a stick on and off for 44 years and have never had a problem-and I owned a '77 Mazda RX-2 once! I don't ride the clutch, put it in neutral at stops, don't rest my hand on the stick, and avoid down shifting if I can. Anyone else have problems with the transmission?

Hello Retrorv , welcome to the forum and FR-S MT ownership -

If you look around over this forum, you will find that your car isn't the first one to need a new TOB and sometimes associated parts.

On the bright side, with the new, improved TOB, you car should be good to go for more than another 46,000 miles. -

I have been driving stick for over 70 years and - and - and - what were we talking about ? -

humfrz

fitcious · 10-09-2018, 08:07 PM

That’s why auto ftw lol lol

highway7 · 10-09-2018, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HKz

avoid downshifting...?...if that was a concern on your mind I don't think you were that comfortable with a stick! I've put 50 K on my '16, my first DD with a stick, and I engine brake by rowing down all the gears every day on my commute to work...no issues. If you do it properly there should be very minuscule wear.. The only somewhat common drivetrain issue has been the TOB for pre-17s..

I don't get it either. Downshifting is just as important as upshifting. As long as you rev match, and the car doesn't jerk it means you're not damaging anything by downshifting.

chaoskaze · 10-09-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Retrorv

I bought my 14 FR-s in May 2014. It has 46,000 miles on it. Other than having to replace the blower motor, its been trouble free-until yesterday. Got in the car in the morning and clutch pedal was spongy, the engine whined when I engaged the clutch at a stop, and the car stalled when engaging the clutch at stops and going forward. So the clutch is shot, the flywheel needs to be resurfaced, and all the rest that comes with this. $1500.00! I've been driving a stick on and off for 44 years and have never had a problem-and I owned a '77 Mazda RX-2 once! I don't ride the clutch, put it in neutral at stops, don't rest my hand on the stick, and avoid down shifting if I can. Anyone else have problems with the transmission?

Don't worry it's the clutch TOB.... known issue, mine was shot at like 49k miles.
Make sure they put the updated one it.

CB750F · 10-10-2018, 08:48 AM

For those who had the TOB issue, was this a symptom?

No noise but as I press the clutch all the way down I feel a little
resistance, on, off, on, off.... like ribbing? Nothing else.
Very faint pulsing...

Tks.

Tcoat · 10-10-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by CB750F

For those who had the TOB issue, was this a symptom?

No noise but as I press the clutch all the way down I feel a little
resistance, on, off, on, off.... like ribbing? Nothing else.
Very faint pulsing...

Tks.

Mine started out with a light squeal when the clutch was out. It was especialy noticable at start up and went away when you either pushed in the clutch or the car warmed up. It then started to sqeual louder at startup and you could actually change the sound by pushing the clutch in and letting it out. It still went away when the car warmed up. Then it stopped making noise altogether. I knew that was a bad sign but figured it would last a couple more weeks until I was scheduled for service. It blew and took everything with it. That was the only time I could actually feel anything.

N1rve · 10-10-2018, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fitcious

That’s why auto ftw lol lol

#TheMasterRace

BellaItalia · 10-15-2018, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz

I have been driving stick for over 70 years and - and - and - what were we talking about ? -

humfrz

been driving for 58 yrs...Blip the throttle !! and light pressure on the stick, you'll feel it when the revs match
...at least i can still remember what i'm not talking about haha

Kimsey47 · 10-15-2018, 08:18 AM

I was expecting this thread to be completely different...

humfrz · 10-15-2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BellaItalia

been driving for 58 yrs...Blip the throttle !! and light pressure on the stick, you'll feel it when the revs match
...at least i can still remember what i'm not talking about haha

Hell, I can remember what I was NOT talking about - that's everything except what I WAS talking about.

NOW, who in the hell are you and why are you talking - cause you don't even know what I wasn't talking about -

humfrz

10-09-2018, 06:32 PM	#1
Retrorv Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Drives: 2014 FR-S Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Bad tranny I bought my 14 FR-s in May 2014. It has 46,000 miles on it. Other than having to replace the blower motor, its been trouble free-until yesterday. Got in the car in the morning and clutch pedal was spongy, the engine whined when I engaged the clutch at a stop, and the car stalled when engaging the clutch at stops and going forward. So the clutch is shot, the flywheel needs to be resurfaced, and all the rest that comes with this. $1500.00! I've been driving a stick on and off for 44 years and have never had a problem-and I owned a '77 Mazda RX-2 once! I don't ride the clutch, put it in neutral at stops, don't rest my hand on the stick, and avoid down shifting if I can. Anyone else have problems with the transmission?

10-15-2018, 08:18 AM	#13
Kimsey47 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Drives: 2016 STI DGM Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,875 Thanks: 1,189 Thanked 1,460 Times in 662 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I was expecting this thread to be completely different... __________________ Subaru STI :

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