Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not questioning your corporate policy, sounds like they are taking the path of least resistance on it, as you say, just questioning "illegal" vs. "our policy will be".

Did they mention of unvaccinated employees would have to continue masking and other safe practices vs. vaccinated persons would not?

My employer I think has assumed that every employee will get vaccinated as the question of dealing with unvaccinated persons has not arisen.. Quick let's organise a risk workshop!!

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not questioning your corporate policy, sounds like they are taking the path of least resistance on it, as you say, just questioning "illegal" vs. "our policy will be".

Did they mention of unvaccinated employees would have to continue masking and other safe practices vs. vaccinated persons would not?

Increased cubicle/worker spacing and continued masking for all (vaccinated or not) for the foreseeable future after the planned reopening of the offices (June/July).

I REALLY do not want to endure that 2 hour training again to get you an exact answer, but it was definitely not "our policy will be" - it was a strong statement that we were not allowed to request proof of belief, and my recollection is they stated it was illegal. I could be wrong. I have updated the original statement with a notation that it was edited/changed.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by nextcar

I REALLY do not want to endure that 2 hour training....

Can't blame you for that! I'm no legal expert, particularly on CA law, so I could be wrong as well.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Not questioning your corporate policy, sounds like they are taking the path of least resistance on it, as you say, just questioning "illegal" vs. "our policy will be".

Did they mention of unvaccinated employees would have to continue masking and other safe practices vs. vaccinated persons would not?

A close friend of mine that works in sales was told for their company, only vaccinated people will be allowed in the office. All others will continue wfh. That is how they are dealing with it. Though their HR personal does not believe they can enforce it due to Hipaa.


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[wbradley]

Got the Pfizer shot today, and ironically the mass vaccination site was at an old air base.

[cjd]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

A close friend of mine that works in sales was told for their company, only vaccinated people will be allowed in the office. All others will continue wfh. That is how they are dealing with it. Though their HR personal does not believe they can enforce it due to Hipaa.

I think it'll stick without too much trouble. To open the office will require a certain number of folks to take care of it; assuming people *can* WFH, the ones who must (else they put these folks who can not WFH at risk) will be the un-vaccinated.
If you DO have a condition where you can't be vaccinated safely, this is still the best option.

On the other hand, the office isn't where I have the most concerns, though I do have some - transit is the bigger issue at the moment. Obviously that's less true in some places where transit isn't an option... My team is also spread out across 7 or 8 locations, so so much of our work is already virtual. I'm not sure if it'll ever go back to requiring onsite. We'll see.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

A close friend of mine that works in sales was told for their company, only vaccinated people will be allowed in the office. All others will continue wfh. That is how they are dealing with it. Though their HR personal does not believe they can enforce it due to Hipaa.

An employer can ask health related questions as long as they are kept confidential and treated like health records. This goes beyond COVID of course, but the vaccination falls under that guidance. Employers (at least in every state I work) ask health related questions all the time as part of the hiring and continued employment process. Technically, a drug test is a medical record, and I've had one for every job I've taken since the late 90's.

This is a good article that explains how the EEOC has already approved employers requiring vaccination, the 4 exceptions, and how they have to treat it as a medical record.

I work for a hospital system that is very conscious of HIPAA requirements, yet to continue to work there I have to have all the "standard" vaccinations, take a TB test every year, and get a flu shot.

[Summerwolf]

AFAIK an employer can't ask or discriminate due to vaccine status. Wouldn't that go into some kind of HIPAA, Pii category? I asked about this because my office is supposedly going to start slowly coming back and we are treating everyone like they haven't had the vaccine. Rotating shifts and social distancing policies.

You can offer the information up, but it's (supposedly) illegal for us to ask our teams who has had the vaccine. I work out of Michigan and haven't gone through the rules, just many...many conference calls.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

An employer can ask health related questions as long as they kept confidential and treated like health records. This goes beyond COVID of course, but the vaccination falls under that guidance. Employers (at least in every state I work) ask health related questions all the time as part of the hiring and continued employment process. Technically, a drug test is a medical record, and I've had one for every job I've taken since the late 90's.

This is a good article that explains how the EEOC has already approved employers requiring vaccination, the 4 exceptions, and how they have to treat it as a medical record.

I work for a hospital system that is very conscious of HIPAA requirements, yet to continue to work there I have to have all the "standard" vaccinations, take a TB test every year, and get a flu shot.

Ahhh that makes sense. She should have known that, she used to be their regional HR manager before sales.


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[weederr33]

Got my second shot on Friday morning. Was tired and a little warmer than normal. Otherwise, I felt fine. In fact, I spent some time yesterday evening giving my car a pre-spring detail (just waiting for the pollen to stop so I can really detail her). I was half tempted to return to the gym, but figured some 'active recovery' would be good enough. Today I feel no different than before the shot.

However, I did find myself reading up more on mRNA vaccines, gene expression, and protein synthesis as I'm still boggled by people insisting it manipulates their DNA. As if it's some sort of cheesy 70's G-man conspiracy. All of it is a bit above my comprehension, but find it fascinating regardless. One thing is certain, the sheer amount of data out there and the complexity seriously explains why there is magnitudes of misinformation or misinterpretation.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Can't blame you for that! I'm no legal expert, particularly on CA law, so I could be wrong as well.

Georgia law -

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Got my second shot on Friday morning. Was tired and a little warmer than normal. Otherwise, I felt fine. In fact, I spent some time yesterday evening giving my car a pre-spring detail (just waiting for the pollen to stop so I can really detail her). I was half tempted to return to the gym, but figured some 'active recovery' would be good enough. Today I feel no different than before the shot.

However, I did find myself reading up more on mRNA vaccines, gene expression, and protein synthesis as I'm still boggled by people insisting it manipulates their DNA. As if it's some sort of cheesy 70's G-man conspiracy. All of it is a bit above my comprehension, but find it fascinating regardless. One thing is certain, the sheer amount of data out there and the complexity seriously explains why there is magnitudes of misinformation or misinterpretation.

.....and there is a ton of people who still don't trust or understand how penicillin works -

[Clipdat]

Second Pfizer shot coming up on Tuesday...

[wbradley]

No side effects from Pfizer other than a tiny bit tender deltoid muscle on one side. I wish everyone was vaccinated already!