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Old 10-01-2022, 03:50 PM   #897
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Are there even OFT (or the like) tunes out for the new car yet? How do they propose you disabled the limiter? They need to show their work here.
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Are there even OFT (or the like) tunes out for the new car yet? How do they propose you disabled the limiter? They need to show their work here.
only 1 tuner has claimed to have cracked the new ecu, and he's anything but reputable-seems more like an early cash-grab. none of the typical tuner sources have made any statements more than "we're working on it"
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Toyota is saying the limiter was disabled (how?) and as a result I drove the car all the way to 129mph (also never happened per gamin)...
even with the rev limiter disabled, the car's electronic speed limiter is set to 140mph by Subaru/Toyota, which means the car, in bone stock form, is more than capable of hitting those speeds without damaging the engine.

id ask for a tech with more brains to give you a more accurate answer rather than some bs to try to avoid replacing the motor

better yet, ask them for proof that the limiter was disabled, and how they gathered that you went 129mph..
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even with the rev limiter disabled, the car's electronic speed limiter is set to 140mph by Subaru/Toyota, which means the car, in bone stock form, is more than capable of hitting those speeds without damaging the engine.

id ask for a tech with more brains to give you a more accurate answer rather than some bs to try to avoid replacing the motor

better yet, ask them for proof that the limiter was disabled, and how they gathered that you went 129mph..
I would talk to a lawyer before anything else.
There are two possible scenarios here.

The techs are right and the engine blew due to an over rev and have just done a crappy job of saying what they found. Unfortunately the nature of the damage does appear to be this so it may be a rough fight to prove otherwise. The way it is written doesn’t make much sense though. Not sure what the disabled stuff is about at all.

The techs are making shit up to get out of warranty work. If this is the case going and talking to them again is not going to get you anyplace.

Dealerships get paid to do warranty work and do it every single day so there really is no reason for them to make up stories to avoid it.
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I would talk to a lawyer before anything else.
There are two possible scenarios here.

The techs are right and the engine blew due to an over rev and have just done a crappy job of saying what they found. Unfortunately the nature of the damage does appear to be this so it may be a rough fight to prove otherwise. The way it is written doesn’t make much sense though. Not sure what the disabled stuff is about at all.

The techs are making shit up to get out of warranty work. If this is the case going and talking to them again is not going to get you anyplace.

Dealerships get paid to do warranty work and do it every single day so there really is no reason for them to make up stories to avoid it.
i have no doubt that the techs are trying to avoid warranty work. Most of the time, warranty work pays techs next to nothing

if there was an instance of over-rev and that was the reason the engine blew, then i agree it was worded very poorly.

i feel regardless the tech and service writer have to reword it to either sound correct, or show proof to back up what they are claiming.

lawyering up would be smart
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Just remember, Toyota pays lawyers a salary. It makes no difference to their legal team if this goes on for decades. They get paid the same.

So venture into the legal system waters carefully. The new motor could very well be cheaper to pay out of pocket.
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Just remember, Toyota pays lawyers a salary. It makes no difference to their legal team if this goes on for decades. They get paid the same.

So venture into the legal system waters carefully. The new motor could very well be cheaper to pay out of pocket.
I say legal because the first consult usually is free. If they say no hope then no point proceeding. If they say gonna cost as much as the repair to fight no point proceeding. If they say small cost to send a letter that may be enough then may be worthwhile.
Any way you look at it getting advice some somebody qualified beets hell out of a bunch of guys on the internet gathering their torches and pitchforks.
Personally even with the poor wording I don’t think this case has a hope in hell of being won. The wrong filter alone gives them a legal leg to stand on.
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..The wrong filter alone gives them a legal leg to stand on.
Pretty much what I thought when I saw that piece. If accurate and just doesn't mean "not OEM part", this story is over.
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Money shift stretched the wrist pin bosses. I bet if it were investigated any further, the bores on the other pistons would also show some stretch.
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The oil filter is probably not even the cause of this failure.
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i have no doubt that the techs are trying to avoid warranty work. Most of the time, warranty work pays techs next to nothing



if there was an instance of over-rev and that was the reason the engine blew, then i agree it was worded very poorly.



i feel regardless the tech and service writer have to reword it to either sound correct, or show proof to back up what they are claiming.



lawyering up would be smart
Warranty work is paid on established book time(flat rate), same as any other job. As a tech you can dispute the time if it seems like it is off though with the gen2 not being that different from the gen1 I doubt this is the case. If anything, this would be a long block R&R. Being a new car, clean and no corroded fasteners, guys would be fighting to do the long block replacement. This is an easy one.
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Money shift stretched the wrist pin bosses. I bet if it were investigated any further, the bores on the other pistons would also show some stretch.
That is my bet. This is an outlier to the rest of the failures and not statistically related to the oil issues.

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The oil filter is probably not even the cause of this failure.
Nope but doesn't matter. It would likely be enough to deny warranty for pretty much any form of engine failure that could even be remotely oil related.
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The oil filter is probably not even the cause of this failure.
do we normally get access to filter flow/filtration rates, oem or aftermarket?

whether it's the cause or not, it really doesn't matter, as even the indication of a non-approved oil filter plugging stuff up would be enough for most places to deny coverage.

the 0-30w oil definitely only furthers this point...
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Warranty work is paid on established book time(flat rate), same as any other job. As a tech you can dispute the time if it seems like it is off though with the gen2 not being that different from the gen1 I doubt this is the case. If anything, this would be a long block R&R. Being a new car, clean and no corroded fasteners, guys would be fighting to do the long block replacement. This is an easy one.
So many seem to think that the dealers pay for warranty work out of their own pocket or something. It is paying and profitable work not charity.
Even the car companies build the warranty costs into the prices so they are not losing on individual warranty repairs either. Sure a $20K engine replacement seems huge to the consumer but it is not even a glimmer of a slice of a blip on Toyota's books. They don't even start to take notice until you get something like the airbag recalls that cost them hundreds of millions. Even then their profit numbers didn't go down those couple of years so we all know who pays in the long run.
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