Reverse gear on the first and second gear side

[Argent6978]

Originally Posted by DommerEOD

Great, now I made myself look like a dumbass haha

Eh. It's no big deal. Honestly, the automatic lever does look a lot like a manual. No harm no foul.

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Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

BMW does this. I have mistakenly put an M3 into reverse before because I thought the aftermarket shifter was just stiff when I was going for 1st. My G35 was next to 6th gear. My GTOs (and, if I'm not mistaken, all T56/TR6060s) are next to 5th gear.

I had a '05 G35 6MT and I could swear that the reverse was on the left near 1st. LOL I guess it's been awhile...

[switchlanez]

^Yeah it's on the right side for G35.

My 2004 Celica GT-S had Reverse it on the upper left. But I always had to muscle against a tough spring in the linkage to jam it in there. Thank you Subaru for giving us a collar ring, thank you.

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Originally Posted by switchlanez

^Yeah it's on the right side for G35.

My 2004 Celica GT-S had Reverse it on the upper left. But I always had to muscle against a tough spring in the linkage to jam it in there. Thank you Subaru for giving us a collar ring, thank you.

Ah ok, it's been awhile since I sold the car.

I haven't had a MT car that required a pull on a spring/lever since I took over my older brother's VW Scirocco 16V way back in the day... I personally prefer the BMW method where you have to exert a decent amount of force to get the lever into reverse, but I'm sure I can get used to pulling a spring/lever again. As long as they both work I'm good!

[#87]

It's more convenient, as long as they have the lockout which appears to be on the shifter there.

[Homemade WRX]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

I can't help but wonder, what if someone would try the opposite - go to the "6th" at high speed?

if you mean that they accidentally toss it into revers, they can't because there is a cable lock out on them. Some have pull collars and some need for the shifter to be pushed down.

[Guff]

Everyone should just be glad it's not a Dog-Leg 5spd....

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Originally Posted by Guff

Everyone should just be glad it's not a Dog-Leg 5spd....

This!

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Toyota has always had this when they have done 6 speed voxes... very 90s nothing new at all.

This will have a pull colar just like my corolla07 pretty sure STI has a pull colar as well

[7thgear]

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Originally Posted by 7thgear

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How come all I see is a white box???

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Guff

Everyone should just be glad it's not a Dog-Leg 5spd....

There's plenty of nice 5MT units out there. I don't see the reason for 6MT elitism. For instance, take the WRX and STI transmissions. Some people break the 5MT, though for the most part you don't see that anymore until higher power levels (~400hp); however, the STI 6MT is nearly indestructible by most accounts. It also weighs a ton more, but what I want to talk about is the ratios. People think 6 gears = low highway cruising RPM. The WRX 5MT and STI 6MT cruise at nearly the same RPM in their terminal gears; the difference is the closeness in ratios between the two. Personally, I find the ratios of the 5MT to be spaced more naturally than the closer geared 6MT.

Like I said though, it's all about the gearing. Take the Charger 5MT unit: some of the worst spacing out there. In fact, from what I saw of the JDM 6MT ratios for the GT86, 5th and 6th gear ratios aren't even really that low. Hell I think the spec sheet showed 6th as 1.000!

[Kunzite]

Originally Posted by Homemade WRX

if you mean that they accidentally toss it into revers, they can't because there is a cable lock out on them. Some have pull collars and some need for the shifter to be pushed down.

I'm talking about gear boxes without a pull collar, and on which you don't push down the shifter to select reverse - you'd just go to the "6th" (right and down).
I don't even know how my car would behave. I'm afraid there is no safety mechanism, and some nasty noises would be heard if one were to "test" it (not me, no chance!)
Btw, I know old cars with 4 speed gear boxes that had the reverse... you guessed right, where the "5th" would be (right and up). No cable lock or anything on those... just unsynchronized reverse pinions trying to engage.

OrbitalEllipses: "People think 6 gears = low highway cruising RPM"
Well, I hope it would mean low highway cruising RPM. From what I've read (too lazy to check the numbers myself) it should be around 3000-3300rpm (instead of well over 4000 for my current car).

[LSxJunkie]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

There's plenty of nice 5MT units out there. I don't see the reason for 6MT elitism. For instance, take the WRX and STI transmissions. Some people break the 5MT, though for the most part you don't see that anymore until higher power levels (~400hp); however, the STI 6MT is nearly indestructible by most accounts. It also weighs a ton more, but what I want to talk about is the ratios. People think 6 gears = low highway cruising RPM. The WRX 5MT and STI 6MT cruise at nearly the same RPM in their terminal gears; the difference is the closeness in ratios between the two. Personally, I find the ratios of the 5MT to be spaced more naturally than the closer geared 6MT.

Like I said though, it's all about the gearing. Take the Charger 5MT unit: some of the worst spacing out there. In fact, from what I saw of the JDM 6MT ratios for the GT86, 5th and 6th gear ratios aren't even really that low. Hell I think the spec sheet showed 6th as 1.000!

Overdrive gearing is related to power. My GTO cruised happily along at 2000rpm at 80mph in 6th. It also made 360whp. My G35, on the other hand, turned 3200 or so at 80 in 6th.