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If the goal is competitiveness I'd recommend STX as well, something like 6 out of the top ten cars were 86's on the last nationals results I looked at. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25779 You'll still be spending thousands of dollars completing the build (i.e. likely around $1.5k minimum on wheels and tires alone and you won't want to DD on them to save the rubber which means maintaining a second set, a tune to maximize your bolt-on choices etc.) but it will be much cheaper to dice it up then stepping up to a fully built ~400hp engine and the associated life support and traction for it that seems to be the norm in SM. The way your local group runs SM sounds weird, you might not have to spend a dime, maybe the proper handicap associated to your level of modification will put you in the running for points and stuff against the Formula D cars you were up against. Sure you're not in an unlimited grab bag class because you don't fit somewhere? Again, you might be creating a problem that doesn't exist or could be easily solved by reaching out to the event organizers, they will typically put in some effort so that you have a good time and keep coming back to race with them. |
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However the car is a ton of fun now so I hate to dump it. I have light wheels and decent tires now and I don't daily the car anyway. The organizers are known to less than helpful and I was told to stay away from my local events by other competitors, maybe I need to travel somewhere else. |
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They actually had the lap time display setup at the starting line not the finish, lap times were not printed out till the end of the day. |
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Just read this entire thread...for anyone else who didn't here's the TL;DR
Guy is mad at Autocross because he over-modded his car into a race class. The number one rule of building a racing car...in ANY racing sport from Karting to F1...the number one rule is you BUILD YOUR CAR TO THE RULES IN WHICH YOU ARE BOUND. If you wanted an STX car you should have done your research to find out what is allowed and what is not. Forced Induction is absolutely not allowed in STX. Now your options are; a) Say fuhkit and have some fun in SM...you clearly don't have the experience or money to be competitive there. b) Downgrade your car to fit the rules of STX...where, once you have 4-6 years of AutoX experience, you may be able to compete for top spots. c) Don't play. Nobody is forcing you. Go rice out on twisty back roads or something.
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I am toying with the idea of moving to SM with a supercharger, not because i think I will be competitive, I just want to have the power bump for the street and more fun at track days. I don't mind being outclassed, i'm not going to run nationals. It will still be fun to go out and play racecar with friends once a month. It's not like the trophys they hand out are to die for.
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The contour was actually in SMF, not SM. There was a timing display at the finish, but you had to look toward the right. The clock at the start was so the cars in grid could see the times of the cars coming across the line. Just have fun out there. SM is an insane class and is very fast if built to full potential, but I don't know any competitive SM cars that are daily driven. If you are supercharged and have coilovers, bolt on some 245 RE71R's and have at it. It won't be SM competitive, but honestly, you're still new at autocross and will benefit a lot more from getting seat time. Near you, Philly region SCCA runs street tire versions of *SP and *SM that you could play in - so basically SM on street tires, which is what you want to do. In other regions that don't have that, you can probably guess as to how fast your car should be - obviously it should be faster than STX, STR, and probably STU. Susq isn't the friendliest region and isn't the most well run, but the lots are the best around (even if the course designs don't utilize the full potential). Also, Central PA Porsche Club runs events on the big Hershey lot, and with them there is no classing, all non-Porsche's just get lumped into the 'other' class, so no classing concerns to worry about there. To answer your question about STX, basically intake, full exhaust (have to keep a cat even if it's high flow), tune, on the intake side can't touch anything after the throttle body (e.g. manifold/manifold spacers). Any coilovers, can do camber plates, swap bushings for poly, rear lower control arms, up to 265 width street tires on up to a 9" wide wheel. Lightweight battery. |
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Maybe I will just go to the non scca events so I can build my car my way. |
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Like what CSG said.....go look at @whataboutbob and his SM build
If you're not ready to put that kind of work into your SM build, you won't be competitive (without taking seat time into consideration) |
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wait... as long as there is no class system so everyone is going to lose to the fastest car there you don't care? why not just not care about what class you are in and have fun?
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