The end of tuning: Car Companies Say Home Repairs Are 'Legally Problematic'

[jvincent]

Originally Posted by jack43

The encryption on the current 981 Cayman ecu is so good that noone has an aftermarket flash yet, after a couple years of trying. We can enjoy a Toyobaru ECU design that's either primitive, or generous to tuners.

The inability to break the Cayman ECU probably has as much to do with the number of them out there as anything.

For example, the Blu-Ray consortium spent a lot of time and money on their encryption scheme. It took a few months for the community to break it. Considering the billions of dollars at stake, you can be sure that the BluRay guys did their best. But there were a LOT of people who wanted it broken.

A few hundred, if that many, Cayman owners aren't going to be able to drum up that level of support.

[phrosty]

I don't think they actually want to limit tuning. I'd be surprised to see any sort of technical solution to make flashing more difficult. What they probably want is stronger legal standing to go after high-profile "bad" tuners who might hurt their image, and maybe stronger standing to deny fault/warranty.

It'd be pretty trivial for them to lock it down with digital signatures. If they do that, the only solution will be to replace the entire ECU. But why put in the effort to lock out literally the only people who get excited about your cars?

[churchx]

In most cases they wouldn't care about independent service shops & tuners and their competency. They just mask behind reasoning like if they care about customers. What they REALLY care about - ability to rake in more money on overpriced aftersales service that otherwise goes out of their profits. If it gets legally enforced, then due monopoly on servicing they'll be able to rise prices even higher and could care even less about service quality.
Just like HP (and many other printer vendors). It sells printers for cheap, but cartridges - overpriced. Of course, it reasons that aftermarket cartridges refilling services are illegal, bad quality and bad for customers, and that their fight against them is only in best interests of customers. Right in this scheme fits chips in each cartridge to prevent refilling, +half filled original ones with which printers are shipped. That probably also is with care about customers in mind

[Kelbyat07]

So should I still get an OFT or nah..

[Special_K]

Originally Posted by Kelbyat07

So should I still get an OFT or nah..

Haha! Gotta fix that torque dip brah!

[ichitaka05]

Nope, nope, nope. I'm not gonna point which member/s, but out of the line. I'm locking this thread.

If you like, you can start a new thread, for this topic is interesting... but please keep it within the rules.

You can discuss about it here: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87043