Air Suspension, No Bags??? Air Cups - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

_j_anthony · 10-26-2015, 02:57 PM

Air Cups, Air Cup kits, Coilover Lift Suspension, or bagless air suspension.

- I'm looking for more info, I don't care for your opinions if you don't know what air cups are.

- Please only ask questions about more information on the topic, otherwise if you don't know don't comment

Could anyone provide info on these systems and how their experience has been with them?
Durable in drivable winter conditions?
How do they compare vs. bags?

If you google these systems a few unknown companies come up and then.... http://www.fortune-auto.com/aircuplift.htm

any info is good info...

NyC Zn6 · 10-26-2015, 03:14 PM

Can cups be added to any aftermarket coilover?

MisterSheep · 10-26-2015, 03:17 PM

@Shaun Perry I believe has a set of these.

_j_anthony · 10-26-2015, 06:02 PM

Yes, you can buy the cup and add to your coilovers

http://www.dsgperformance.com/Fortun...stem-Universal

Liquid6 · 10-26-2015, 06:53 PM

all that does is lift car for speed bumps and stuff. driving will suffer as it states cause it compresses spring. if you're looking for the aired out look these are not it.

_j_anthony · 10-26-2015, 09:02 PM

I'm looking to lower my car to fit my wheels properly but the problem is, I'm scraping now if I don't pull out carefully.
-So using this kit will allow me to clear the speed bumps on my street and allow me to get into my driveway

Captain Snooze · 10-26-2015, 09:21 PM

I'd be wary of a suspension manufacturer who says "the coilover springs become compressed which increases the spring rate."

Liquid6 · 10-26-2015, 09:21 PM

Then these will work. Just with them aired up the ride is crap. So if you just need them for what you said ..have at it.

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Gunman · 10-26-2015, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I'd be wary of a suspension manufacturer who says "the coilover springs become compressed which increases the spring rate."

Coil bind maybe?

_j_anthony · 10-28-2015, 02:31 PM

the entire point to this is that you don't ride air'd up, you go higher when you need to clear something

microsteve40 · 10-29-2015, 02:04 PM

I have the http://www.umbrellaautodesign.com/ system on my 350Z, and I love them. I don't know anything about the kit the OP posted, but with the Umbrella setup, he replaces your spring with a shorter one from Swift Springs, and uses the spring rate of your choice.

The ride feels exactly the same as your coilovers would normally. Aired all the way up, my car rides amazing, as it actually has room for the suspension to travel and for the Zeal coilovers to do their thing.

Anyway, I've had the setup on my car for over a year now. If you have any specific questions, let me know.

Here's a pic of my 350Z aired out:

kch · 10-29-2015, 02:23 PM

Hell, if these are reasonably priced and don't require too much trunk space, it might be worth it. I've held off on coils because of steep parking garage entrances. Seems perfect for my issue.

DustinS · 10-29-2015, 02:40 PM

If I remember right, it's an extra $1200? over the price of the coilovers. Plus they don't work with all cars. The FRS/BRZ kit for the Fortune autos only allow a 1" lift as there isn't enough travel for the 2".

Edit: Extra $2000 over the price of the coilovers.

microsteve40 · 10-29-2015, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DustinS

Plus they don't work with all cars. The FRS/BRZ kit for the Fortune autos only allow a 1" lift as there isn't enough travel for the 2".

What would prevent there being more than 1" of available travel?

10-26-2015, 02:57 PM	#1
_j_anthony Daily Driven Expert Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: FR-S Monogram(BLACK) Location: United States, NJ Posts: 99 Thanks: 25 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Air Suspension, No Bags??? Air Cups Air Cups, Air Cup kits, Coilover Lift Suspension, or bagless air suspension. - I'm looking for more info, I don't care for your opinions if you don't know what air cups are. - Please only ask questions about more information on the topic, otherwise if you don't know don't comment Could anyone provide info on these systems and how their experience has been with them? Durable in drivable winter conditions? How do they compare vs. bags? If you google these systems a few unknown companies come up and then.... http://www.fortune-auto.com/aircuplift.htm any info is good info... __________________ New Jersey! Instagrams: @FT86_NJ & @_J_Anthony I Need MO' Low Last edited by _j_anthony; 10-28-2015 at 02:34 PM.

10-26-2015, 06:02 PM	#4
_j_anthony Daily Driven Expert Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: FR-S Monogram(BLACK) Location: United States, NJ Posts: 99 Thanks: 25 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yes, you can buy the cup and add to your coilovers http://www.dsgperformance.com/Fortun...stem-Universal __________________ New Jersey! Instagrams: @FT86_NJ & @_J_Anthony I Need MO' Low

10-26-2015, 09:02 PM	#6
_j_anthony Daily Driven Expert Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: FR-S Monogram(BLACK) Location: United States, NJ Posts: 99 Thanks: 25 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm looking to lower my car to fit my wheels properly but the problem is, I'm scraping now if I don't pull out carefully. -So using this kit will allow me to clear the speed bumps on my street and allow me to get into my driveway __________________ New Jersey! Instagrams: @FT86_NJ & @_J_Anthony I Need MO' Low

10-26-2015, 09:21 PM	#7
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,723 Thanks: 3,993 Thanked 9,346 Times in 4,127 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd be wary of a suspension manufacturer who says "the coilover springs become compressed which increases the spring rate." __________________ My car is completely stock except for all the mods.

10-28-2015, 02:31 PM	#10
_j_anthony Daily Driven Expert Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: FR-S Monogram(BLACK) Location: United States, NJ Posts: 99 Thanks: 25 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the entire point to this is that you don't ride air'd up, you go higher when you need to clear something __________________ New Jersey! Instagrams: @FT86_NJ & @_J_Anthony I Need MO' Low

10-26-2015, 03:14 PM	#2
NyC Zn6 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 10 Series #974 6m/t Location: NYC Posts: 1,956 Thanks: 1,357 Thanked 1,141 Times in 669 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Can cups be added to any aftermarket coilover?

10-26-2015, 06:53 PM	#5
Liquid6 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2014 FR-S Location: Long Island Posts: 375 Thanks: 34 Thanked 71 Times in 57 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	all that does is lift car for speed bumps and stuff. driving will suffer as it states cause it compresses spring. if you're looking for the aired out look these are not it.

10-29-2015, 02:04 PM	#11
microsteve40 Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Drives: '13 FR-S, '03 350Z, '14 Honda Grom Location: Meridian, ID Posts: 43 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have the http://www.umbrellaautodesign.com/ system on my 350Z, and I love them. I don't know anything about the kit the OP posted, but with the Umbrella setup, he replaces your spring with a shorter one from Swift Springs, and uses the spring rate of your choice. The ride feels exactly the same as your coilovers would normally. Aired all the way up, my car rides amazing, as it actually has room for the suspension to travel and for the Zeal coilovers to do their thing. Anyway, I've had the setup on my car for over a year now. If you have any specific questions, let me know. Here's a pic of my 350Z aired out:

10-29-2015, 02:23 PM	#12
kch Senior Misanthrope Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: 2015 BRZ Series.Blue CWP Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,490 Thanks: 1,743 Thanked 1,168 Times in 645 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Hell, if these are reasonably priced and don't require too much trunk space, it might be worth it. I've held off on coils because of steep parking garage entrances. Seems perfect for my issue.

10-29-2015, 02:40 PM	#13
DustinS Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: 2013 Ultramarine FR-S Location: Springfield, MO Posts: 1,948 Thanks: 2,539 Thanked 1,414 Times in 804 Posts Mentioned: 31 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	If I remember right, it's an extra $1200? over the price of the coilovers. Plus they don't work with all cars. The FRS/BRZ kit for the Fortune autos only allow a 1" lift as there isn't enough travel for the 2". Edit: Extra $2000 over the price of the coilovers. __________________

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