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Actually sales isn't really a cop out, it THE justification. If Toyota thought they would not sell everyone they built without the option, they would offer it. That said, I do agree it should be offered, assuming there was one available that didn't require an engineering project to get it to market.
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Is modern BMW manual transmission cars even any good?
Maybe just maybe Toyota thinks the current BMW manual is not upto snuff / not meeting launch deadlines thus they need marketing to spin it? Otherwise why would they even mention that a manual option is a possibility in the future. Just a thought. Then again this entire Supra project just seemed weird all along. |
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They are a business. They sell what will make them the most money. I have little doubt that the people here that analyze their every move know far more than their highly trained and skilled marketing teams though.
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There probably was just no business case for one. Simple as that.
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Not sure why the Supra isn't being offered with a manual, but BMW isn't lacking in expertise in that area.
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I'm skeptical when someone says a manufacturer is known for having a good shifter. Honda's are praised for having good shifters and the one in my previous Si was not enjoyable. It felt like some Fisher-Price toy. The same can be said for the BMW 435i that I drove. The TR6060 in the current Gen Camaros are very good as well as this one in the 86/BRZ. This is just one man's opinion of course.
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I disagree. BMW manuals suck. The shifter has long throws, it's rubbery and numb with almost no feedback. The clutch pedal is way too long (German tradition) and the grab point is way too high. The pedal arm is made of plastic, which makes it too flexible and inaccurate feeling. And then there's the damn clutch delay valve that screws up your timing, kills the little feedback there used to be, and teaches you terrible clutching habits. I've had 4 manual BMWs before the BRZ, and a manual Audi before that. I still have one BMW and an older Benz. I love my German cars and as far as I can tell they'll be my overall go to in the future too, but a great clutch/shifter setup is something I've yet to see in a German car. Even Porsches don't do it right. The BRZ is the best manual setup out of all my cars I've ever had, even better (stock!) than my E92 335i, which had the CDV removed, a custom all metal shift rod/linkage, and an adjustable steel clutch pedal. Last edited by Yoshoobaroo; 01-23-2019 at 08:59 PM. |
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Joke a side, I agree the most of the ppl fit into those 2 categories, (i'm in the 2nd one) but even in 1st category, there are other equal or cheaper, faster, roomier options that fits better. (Mustang & etc) But somehow ppl still buy 86. Miata is another good example of this unique mystery lol |
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