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09-17-2020, 08:46 AM | #1 |
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Guys... sorry for the newbie questions. I dont have a FRS/BRZ but maybe soon.
Right now, my toy is a 2018 Camaro ZL1. Picked it up to do AutoX and some Track Days but the longer I have it and the more I drive it, just not sold. Plus, not sure how I feel about learning more about track life in a $60K car. So, we are thinking of selling it. Have enough equity in it to build a pretty nice FRS/BRZ but before we jump in head first, have a few questions. I posted here as our main goal for the car is AutoX/Track Days/TT...maybe drift (we will see) but with something we can still drive on the weekends. Not a daily. Fun weekend mountain car. And something we can do some car shows and Cars & Coffee type events. 1. FRS/BRZ, any real difference and should we go one over the other? 2. The ZL1 is a Auto 10 speed trans. What is the auto in the FRS/BRZ? Does it have paddle shifters? Do you guys recommend the auto or manual for the track? I know your not a man if you dont drive a manual but the A10 in the ZL1 shifts a LOT faster than anyone can a manual. Didnt know how the auto stacks up in these cars and everyone's thoughts. 3. Anything we need to stay away from when looking for a FRS/BRZ? Anything we need to look out for? Looking for something stockish to build it. We (our company) are dealers for all major brands so we plan on doing everything ourselves. 4. Once we get a FRS/BRZ, where should we start? Any "Must Do's"? Thank guys! Hopefully we will become a integral part of this forum one day soon... -Krawl |
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Thank you for the reply!
So basically, 2014+ is okay. 2014/2015 and we need to look at the coil pack issue. I assume there is a upgrade for these? I will look into adding a oil cooling system. Thank you. And another question I failed to mention. I want to add power to this thing. How much power can you safely add before you really need to start working on the internals on the motor? Which do you prefer for the track, a supercharger or turbo? I am leaning the turbo route just for the simple fact I have never installed one nor had a car that ran one. My ZL1 is supercharged and here we supercharge things quite often. Just looking for something new and different. I am sure the turbo adds to the heat issue though. -Krawl |
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There are a plethora of turbocharger and supercharger applications available. Since you're familiar with superchargers, you'll be happy to know there are a few roots type and centrifugal, so you can go after whatever kind of power and you want.
The rods are prone to failing at high stress regardless of power output. If you address the rods, the transmission and axles are next, at around 350wtq. 300whp and 250wtq is generally the easiest balance between money spent and still being mostly unmodified- you can get there with a basic clutch upgrade and some injectors. I definitely recommend a turbo application. It is easier to work on, it's extremely flexible for tuning and power output, and can be upgraded easily. The turbo doesn't need to add much heat, Ptuning has a kit that mounts the turbo behind and below the engine, definitely a great option if you're tracking the car.
here's someone's channel who almost convinced me to go with Ptuning. I ended up doing a front mount turbo anyway, since it's what I'm familiar with and don't track my car. This platform doesn't make high power easily, but is rewarding to drive if you're open to it. I definitely would suggest riding in or test driving some boosted examples in your area if you can. This car is a lot different than what you're coming from. You're going to feel a lot less robust, you're going to have no torque, and you're going to have a shorter wheelbase. Definitely go on test drives. |
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I know this will be a different animal than the ZL1. I get that. Love the look of the car (we talked about getting one when they first came out but kids). I just have seen where people have had success with them on the track over the years so that is why we are thinking of picking one up to play with. And I wish there was someone around with a boosted one. All the ones I know of around here are sitting on the ground all "stanced" out or whatever they call it. So no luck there. -Krawl |
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Ah forgot about the Turbo comment. Never heard of the PTuning one. I like the idea of getting it out and away from the engine. Didnt know anyone made them for this platform.
How is the Greddy turbo setup? We are a Greddy dealer. Without digging and looking to much into them yet, this is the way I was thinking of going. Just the name usually associated with quality and we are can get them at a discount. -Krawl |
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Mike can share his track proven setup with you- aero is another huge expense. Maybe a balance to consider would be getting the car,leaving it stock to see if you enjoy tracking it without a lot of power before deciding on power level needs? @pgranberg11 also tracks his turbo car and was originally supercharged, he may have valuable insight for you. |
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Thank you for the feedback! As for the cost, I agree but coming from the ZL1 world, everything seems a lot cheaper. Just the wing for my ZL1 was $4k. I can almost do a widebody kit on the FRS for that (not saying I am). I also failed to mention, I own a shop and we can do all the labor inhouse. That is not a issue.
I would be interested in hearing from those two guys. Hopefully they chime in. -Krawl |
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@Krawl welcome to the forum. Here's a good thread on tracking the AT that may help you.
I do own an AT, and have put 170,000 glorious miles on it, although none of it on a track. The MT is faster than the AT in 0-60, but that's primarily a lack of launch control since the AT will do 60 in 2nd gear and the MT requires a late shift to third 3rd. Of course, that's a moot point since you can't retro launch control, but they would be closer, I think, on a rolling start test.
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@rice_classic, thank you sir! Do you have a rough ball park on the pre 2015 needed coil packs and harness upgrade? Are these dealership only items or can they be found aftermarket?
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What did you spend, ballpark, if you dont mind me asking?
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