Why do most people seem to think castrol edge titanium is a bad choice? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Mike86 · 02-23-2013, 05:44 PM

I got my hands on some castrol edge titanium 0w20 but after reading on these forums i heard alot of people saying it was crap just wondering if i should swap it out for something else?

Thanks

bluesubie · 02-23-2013, 06:06 PM

People just love to make statements without backing it up with some data. Any API SM/SN ILSAC GF4/GF5 will be fine for most people and perhaps some oils are better than others. But to say any certified oil is crap without data is just silly. And by data, I don't mean one or two random uoa's, a voa, or a product data sheet.

Thank you, drive through.

-Dennis

SubieNate · 02-26-2013, 06:06 PM

I think a lot of people just hate on Castrol because they're the ones that started the "synthetic" oil thing in the US, leading almost every manufacturer to substitute real synthetic with highly refined dino oil to at least a degree in their oils. A lot of people still don't like them for that.

The most interesting thing to me is Pennzoil. For the longest time they only made "crap" oil according to everyone on the car world. Then all of a sudden that titanium or whatever comes out and tons of people think it's the bee's knees.

Subie · 03-06-2013, 08:56 PM

The people calling that oil crap are probably the same people that swear up and down that "Mobile 1" [sic] is the best oil on the planet.

Huehuecoyotl · 03-06-2013, 09:29 PM

Some folk prefer oils with higher VI and metal content

Turn in Concepts · 03-06-2013, 09:41 PM

Bitog. Great site for all sorts of oil info and data.

carbonBLUE · 03-06-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Subie

The people calling that oil crap are probably the same people that swear up and down that "Mobile 1" [sic] is the best oil on the planet.

i ran 5-20 mobile 1 extended mileage in my last car running to the 9800 rpm range for 70k miles after i bought it (sold the car with a 152k miles) car was 13 years old, toyota engine

and i never called castrol crap

i just trust the oils I've used that haven't failed me

Subie · 03-06-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by carbonBLUE

i ran 5-20 mobile 1 extended mileage in my last car running to the 9800 rpm range for 70k miles after i bought it (sold the car with a 152k miles) car was 13 years old, toyota engine

and i never called castrol crap

i just trust the oils I've used that haven't failed me

I never said it was bad oil; it isn't. Simply because it's such a popular, widely available oil, there are many who use it because of its image and market presence. Also, it's Mobil 1, not Mobile 1.

carbonBLUE · 03-06-2013, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Subie

I never said it was bad oil; it isn't. Simply because it's such a popular, widely available oil, there are many who use it because of its image and market presence. Also, it's Mobil 1, not Mobile 1.

tell that to my phone lol... darn auto correct!

chappys4life · 03-07-2013, 10:25 AM

I have seen 2 motors that where torn apart both had Castrol run through it and they had the most sludge build up I have ever seen. That is why I am not a Castrol fan. I read a article once the sludge build up was based on the oil base was a plant base with a high wax content but cannot find the article so please do not quote me.

Normally it is Mobil1 for me in cars as I have never had an issue. On the fr-s I use oem as it gets factory oil changes. Really old motors I run valvoline or brad penn for the zinc additive which is hard to find.

I think as long as its oil and changed within the milage interval I would imagine it can only be so bad.

Huehuecoyotl · 03-07-2013, 10:40 AM

No castrol OR Mobil1 for me! IF you are a oil whore, like me, theres far better out there.

Draco-REX · 03-07-2013, 11:15 AM

Because they refuse to release the HTHS numbers for their oil in the US. Numbers were found for some of their oils in Europe and they were very low.

That said, it still meets the minimum requirements. So I'll use it in the winter. But when driving weather comes back, better oil goes in.

bluesubie · 03-08-2013, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by chappys4life

That is why I am not a Castrol fan. I read a article once the sludge build up was based on the oil base was a plant base with a high wax content but cannot find the article so please do not quote me.

Are you referring to wax isomerization? Many base oil suppliers (there are only a few for the entire industry) use this process for Group II and Group III base oils, including ExxonMobil and Shell.

http://www.exxonmobil.com/Apps/Refin...lsheet_mwi.pdf

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=1160814

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...t&Number=91356

Now if someone can provide data that oils derived from wax isomerization produce poor quality oils, then I'm all ears.

-Dennis

CheesusCrust · 05-25-2013, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

No castrol OR Mobil1 for me! IF you are a oil whore, like me, theres far better out there.

What do you recommend then? Its time for my first oil change and I just ordered 6qts off Amazon for 42$. Is there a better oil?

02-23-2013, 05:44 PM	#1
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chappys4life Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 2013 frs Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 138 Thanks: 4 Thanked 8 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I have seen 2 motors that where torn apart both had Castrol run through it and they had the most sludge build up I have ever seen. That is why I am not a Castrol fan. I read a article once the sludge build up was based on the oil base was a plant base with a high wax content but cannot find the article so please do not quote me. Normally it is Mobil1 for me in cars as I have never had an issue. On the fr-s I use oem as it gets factory oil changes. Really old motors I run valvoline or brad penn for the zinc additive which is hard to find. I think as long as its oil and changed within the milage interval I would imagine it can only be so bad.

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