Vacci-Nation [CLOSED DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL, INSULTING, POLITICAL POSTS

[AnalogMan]

The problem with the “my body my choice” gibberish is that it would be true only if a person’s actions affected no one but themselves. That’s not the case with the COVID vaccine.

If you’re unvaccinated and get infected, you're going to be the reason why other people get sick and possibly die. The virus is spreading among children because children can't get the vaccine yet. The virus is also killing immunocompromised patients because people who haven't been vaccinated are spreading it to them.

It’s like saying ‘my car my choice’ and deciding to drive the wrong way in the oncoming lane on the highway. You don’t have a right to do that because your actions endanger the lives of others. The situation with COVID and vaccines is no different.

The problem with the “99% survivable” drivel is that it overlooks the pesky little detail of the growing and overwhelming body of clinical evidence showing how many COVID survivors have long-term health problems, regardless of the severity of the acute phase of their infection.

Many studies have shown that 50%-85% of COVID survivors have long-term health problems such as heart damage, lung damage, and permanent destruction of brain tissue -

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...656-8/fulltext

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2021211087

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus...icle_id=751950

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51350

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768916

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...690v1.full.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....20.20215863v1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....27.20248903v1

The virus doesn’t care if someone disregards scientific evidence as ‘fake news’. It will infect and hurt you just the same.

Just one example is the brother of a friend of mine. He was a hard-core anti-vaxxer (albeit with a college degree and six-figure income). In April 2020 he came down with COVID and had a mild acute course of infection, similar to a bad cold or slight flu. This only further entrenched his denials and snubbing of vaccines.

In January of this year he became infected with COVID a second time. He was recently released after spending 5 months in the hospital, including 117 days on a ventilator. He had multiple strokes during that time, and is now permanently disabled, partially paralyzed, limited ability to speak, wheelchair bound, and with lungs so severely scarred that he will likely need to either remain on oxygen for the rest of his miserable life, or have a lung transplant (which he couldn’t survive or qualify for given his now poor health).

One of the last things he asked for with his limited communications abilities before leaving the hospital was to be vaccinated. Too late in his case. He could have avoided a whole lot of suffering if he had gotten vaccinated before all this happened.

All this is even more true with the variants now spreading such as Delta, which have been shown to be more easily transmitted, cause more serious illness, and be harder to treat –

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...entified-in-uk

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_14.pdf

If you get infected with Delta, you are almost three times more likely to need to be hospitalized compared with the already more serious Alpha variant.

By getting vaccinated, in addition to protecting yourself, you may save the lives of your family, friends, and children by keeping them from getting infected with the Delta variant.

Anxiety about a new drug that some feel may have been ‘rushed’ through development is understandable. What many people may not realize is that the pharmaceutical companies did even more work and studied more patients in clinical trials than would have otherwise been done if more time were available. Literally billions of dollars were spent and tens of thousands of patients enrolled in clinical trials in the effort. A lot more effort was expended to get it done in a year.

At this point, over 2.6 billion vaccine doses have been given around the world so far. This is an enormous number of people that provides a massive database and extensive experience. More people may have received the coronavirus vaccine than any other one drug in history. All the reports continue to show that the vaccines are extraordinarily safe. The risk of any possible side effects is much, much less than that of dying of COVID.

There has been a lot of chatter about the risk of blood clots from certain COVID vaccines. Extensive analysis of patient experiences shows that the risk is about 1 in 250,000. Compare that to the 1 in 500 of all people in the U.S. that have already died of COVID

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

and the more than 1 in 4 that have had symptomatic COVID illness

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...es/burden.html.

The bottom line is, you are 10 times more likely to have a blood clot from COVID than the vaccine, 500 times more likely to die of COVID than have a vaccine-related blood clot, and 70,000 times more likely to have health problems from COVID than the vaccine. Which odds do you prefer?

Even Donald Trump and his family got vaccinated. Choose life. Get vaccinated.

(The images below are from recent studies and publications by the University of Oxford. The first shows the results of brain scans and the regions of the brain destroyed by COVID infection, shown in red/orange/yellow. The second shows X-rays of the lungs of a normal person compared with the damaged lungs of a COVID survivor. Believe your eyes.)

[Capt Spaulding]

Originally Posted by 22R

Wait wait wait. I only stated facts. 99% plus survival rate. Experimental drug and no liability clause. I asked why would anyone considering the odds think it is worth it if young or otherwise healthy but I also agreed that if anyone wants it take as many as you like. I have been attacked about my state, education and job while not showing any disrespect to you guys of the opposite view.
I hear alot of what you guys think I am thinking or what you think I may have used without FDA approval but again this just shows you have no real rebuttal just insults. I think not all but some who have taken this is starting to see some of its rare side effects and are wondering if it is just the tip of the iceberg. I hope it is not but I have decided it is not worth the risk for me right now. Hard to understand why guys who are some much smarter than me and from better areas of the country who value community cannot respect that ??

22R

Not true. You made a value judgement. No reasonable person should get vaccinated unless they are susceptible to severe covid disease. You dance around it with cute passive aggressive internet "argumentation" but that's what you're saying..

ONCE more for anybody who hasn't heard:

IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU.

We live in a community. Define it as broadly or narrowly as you like. Virtually everything we do has the potential to have an impact on others - perhaps good, maybe bad. Vaccination, climate change, the list could go of pages. What each of us does - matters. As such, I think it is incumbent on each of us to take all reasonable steps to ensure that we do not, through direct action, or inaction/neglect, cause damage to another. To add a corollary, we have a responsibility to proactively address the needs of those less fortunate.

The question of whether people have a "right" to be selfish is interesting, but would take far more space than is available in this venue.

[22R]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

The problem with the “my body my choice” gibberish is that it would be true only if a person’s actions affected no one but themselves. That’s not the case with the COVID vaccine.

If you’re unvaccinated and get infected, you're going to be the reason why other people get sick and possibly die. The virus is spreading among children because children can't get the vaccine yet. The virus is also killing immunocompromised patients because people who haven't been vaccinated are spreading it to them.

It’s like saying ‘my car my choice’ and deciding to drive the wrong way in the oncoming lane on the highway. You don’t have a right to do that because your actions endanger the lives of others. The situation with COVID and vaccines is no different.

The problem with the “99% survivable” drivel is that it overlooks the pesky little detail of the growing and overwhelming body of clinical evidence showing how many COVID survivors have long-term health problems, regardless of the severity of the acute phase of their infection.

Many studies have shown that 50%-85% of COVID survivors have long-term health problems such as heart damage, lung damage, and permanent destruction of brain tissue -

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...656-8/fulltext

https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2021211087

https://www.newswise.com/coronavirus...icle_id=751950

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51350

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768916

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...690v1.full.pdf

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....20.20215863v1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....27.20248903v1

The virus doesn’t care if someone disregards scientific evidence as ‘fake news’. It will infect and hurt you just the same.

Just one example is the brother of a friend of mine. He was a hard-core anti-vaxxer (albeit with a college degree and six-figure income). In April 2020 he came down with COVID and had a mild acute course of infection, similar to a bad cold or slight flu. This only further entrenched his denials and snubbing of vaccines.

In January of this year he became infected with COVID a second time. He was recently released after spending 5 months in the hospital, including 117 days on a ventilator. He had multiple strokes during that time, and is now permanently disabled, partially paralyzed, limited ability to speak, wheelchair bound, and with lungs so severely scarred that he will likely need to either remain on oxygen for the rest of his miserable life, or have a lung transplant (which he couldn’t survive or qualify for given his now poor health).

One of the last things he asked for with his limited communications abilities before leaving the hospital was to be vaccinated. Too late in his case. He could have avoided a whole lot of suffering if he had gotten vaccinated before all this happened.

All this is even more true with the variants now spreading such as Delta, which have been shown to be more easily transmitted, cause more serious illness, and be harder to treat –

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...entified-in-uk

https://assets.publishing.service.go...riefing_14.pdf

If you get infected with Delta, you are almost three times more likely to need to be hospitalized compared with the already more serious Alpha variant.

By getting vaccinated, in addition to protecting yourself, you may save the lives of your family, friends, and children by keeping them from getting infected with the Delta variant.

Anxiety about a new drug that some feel may have been ‘rushed’ through development is understandable. What many people may not realize is that the pharmaceutical companies did even more work and studied more patients in clinical trials than would have otherwise been done if more time were available. Literally billions of dollars were spent and tens of thousands of patients enrolled in clinical trials in the effort. A lot more effort was expended to get it done in a year.

At this point, over 2.6 billion vaccine doses have been given around the world so far. This is an enormous number of people that provides a massive database and extensive experience. More people may have received the coronavirus vaccine than any other one drug in history. All the reports continue to show that the vaccines are extraordinarily safe. The risk of any possible side effects is much, much less than that of dying of COVID.

There has been a lot of chatter about the risk of blood clots from certain COVID vaccines. Extensive analysis of patient experiences shows that the risk is about 1 in 250,000. Compare that to the 1 in 500 of all people in the U.S. that have already died of COVID

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1005

and the more than 1 in 4 that have had symptomatic COVID illness

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...es/burden.html.

The bottom line is, you are 10 times more likely to have a blood clot from COVID than the vaccine, 500 times more likely to die of COVID than have a vaccine-related blood clot, and 70,000 times more likely to have health problems from COVID than the vaccine. Which odds do you prefer?

Even Donald Trump and his family got vaccinated. Choose life. Get vaccinated.

(The images below are from recent studies and publications by the University of Oxford. The first shows the results of brain scans and the regions of the brain destroyed by COVID infection, shown in red/orange/yellow. The second shows X-rays of the lungs of a normal person compared with the damaged lungs of a COVID survivor. Believe your eyes.)

Good points and valid data to back you up. Much respect.

22R

[22R]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

Not true. You made a value judgement. No reasonable person should get vaccinated unless they are susceptible to severe covid disease. You dance around it with cute passive aggressive internet "argumentation" but that's what you're saying..

ONCE more for anybody who hasn't heard:

IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU.

We live in a community. Define it as broadly or narrowly as you like
. Virtually everything we do has the potential to have an impact on others - perhaps good, maybe bad. Vaccination, climate change, the list could go of pages. What each of us does - matters. As such, I think it is incumbent on each of us to take all reasonable steps to ensure that we do not, through direct action, or inaction/neglect, cause damage to another. To add a corollary, we have a responsibility to proactively address the needs of those less fortunate.

The question of whether people have a "right" to be selfish is interesting, but would take far more space than is available in this venue.

More dribble but I respect your right to dribble 😀

[Capt Spaulding]

I can write it out for you. I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.

[Ultramaroon]

You guys are saints to endure such passive-aggressive bullshit. No way I could keep my cool. "Read slowly... Think now..." I can't understand why you guys are so mean to me. Guess that just proves my point. Waaaaah...


Thank you all for doing a much better job than I ever could have.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

You guys are saints to endure such passive-aggressive bullshit. No way I could keep my cool. "Read slowly... Think now..." I can't understand why you guys are so mean to me. Guess that just proves my point. Waaaaah...


Thank you all for doing a much better job than I ever could have.

I'm sure he's here just to rattle the cage or whatever

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I'm sure he's here just to rattle the cage or whatever

It worked. I'm vulnerable to people who willfully throw good faith out the window. Sincere thanks to you guys.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

It worked. I'm vulnerable to people who willfully throw good faith out the window. Sincere thanks to you guys.

True, but like he said, he doesn't care what anyone thinks. He's right and a critical thinker like TommyW.

[22R]

Unsure bout critical but thinking yea. The first guy to respond said I would be ignored but lawd I hope he is more correct about the shot than that statement. I will ignore ya’ll from now on but I do wish you all the best if you have taken or will be taking the experimental vaccine.

22R

[wbradley]

And stepped in out of nowhere with the negativity.
Pissing on the party, so to speak right after I posted happily that I was getting my second shot.
I see a pattern here where these people
1) believe their knowledge superior and their bodies are supreme
2) don't want to be inconvenienced with a problem that is other people's.

Seems narcissistic to me.

I hope you are enjoying all the attention you received. I meant that the authorities will cool down on the selling job on the vaccine soon since it will no longer be necessary thanks to those that rolled up their sleeve.

If that six fig income dropped to zero as a result of pandemic related events, I wonder how he would feel then? Reminds me of a scene in the movie The Fan, with Robert DeNiro. Deniro is pissed his baseball hero doesn't care that he's throwing the series. So DeNiro gets into the locker room and stabs the arrogant star player in the femoral artery. As he bleeds out, Deniro asks, "Now do you care?"

[spike021]

Originally Posted by 22R

Could not care less about your attention....I notice when someone has no logical response they give ya dribble.

22R

Why post if you don't intend to even properly respond to someone? "No logical response" is basically any response you don't agree with.

So again, what's the point?

[spike021]

Originally Posted by 22R

Unsure bout critical but thinking yea. The first guy to respond said I would be ignored but lawd I hope he is more correct about the shot than that statement. I will ignore ya’ll from now on but I do wish you all the best if you have taken or will be taking the experimental vaccine.

22R

So will you be taking it once it's fully FDA-approved?

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by AnalogMan

The problem with the “my body my choice” gibberish is that it would be true only if a person’s actions affected no one but themselves. That’s not the case with the COVID vaccine.............

Now THAT was an impressive post (IMHO) -