NC MX-5 vs. BRZ

[speargunsandracecars]

I've recently wrote an article on rallyways.com. It's an up and coming automotive blog written by car guys like you and me. I traded my old NC in for a BRZ a couple weeks ago and I wrote an article noting the similarities and differences. I hope you guys enjoy the read. Also, feel free to read the other articles. There's good content there.

http://rallyways.com/5903/affordable...-miata-vs-brz/

[glamcem]

great review

[Xerious]

Originally Posted by speargunsandracecars

I've recently wrote an article on rallyways.com. It's an up and coming automotive blog written by car guys like you and me. I traded my old NC in for a BRZ a couple weeks ago and I wrote an article noting the similarities and differences. I hope you guys enjoy the read. Also, feel free to read the other articles. There's good content there.

http://rallyways.com/5903/affordable...-miata-vs-brz/

Out of curiosity, how much time did you spend driving the Brz before writing this article? I picked up an fr-s and has buyers remorse initially but after about 1000 miles my feelings changed.

I bought this car because I needed to replace my v8 that was on its very last legs. It was hard going from all that power to a light and nimbly quick car.

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[glamcem]

it's very odd, I've also traded my NC for a BRZ like couple weeks ago haha

[glamcem]

and I completely agree with the things you mentioned in your review I didn't get a chance to track my NC miata as I did with my previous cars but hopefully I will attend a few events with the BRZ

[Atropine]

Terrible article...I liked the one on the Miata Forums better!

http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=534847

J/K

I recently went the other way.

I inherited my Grandfathers 1991 BRG Miata. I have been oogling his Miata since I was 11 years old.

Well, recently I bought it from him and decided to sell my BRZ.

I know I am comparing an NA Miata to a BRZ, but both cars are great (Miata and the Twins).

[sobrz]

Great article. I switched from an NC to a BRZ 3 months ago and I echo all authors opinions.

Let me add: an NC benefits a ton from a good aftermarket header and tune. My NC with Brian Goodwin's street header and a tune from @moto-mike was MUCH faster than my BRZ is. It was also a much more fun daily driver due to better bottom/mid range torque.

Unfortunately, it looks like the only real option to make the BRZ faster is a $5K SC (from what I'm reading around here, the bolt-ons and tune don't even solve the torque dip).

Don't get me wrong, I love the BRZ, but I really hope to figure out how to make it as fun as my NC was.

In case you wonder why I switched: I drive my toddler daily, the BRZ clearly beats the NC in a "toddler hauler" category.

But if fun factor is your only consideration, you're less than 6.2, and you live in a warm place like CA, I'd definitely advise you to go for NC vs an 86.

[GotMunchies?]

Originally Posted by sobrz

Unfortunately, it looks like the only real option to make the BRZ faster is a $5K SC (from what I'm reading around here, the bolt-ons and tune don't even solve the torque gap).

Look into Unequal Length Headers and tune. This combo seems to solve 90% of the torque dip.

[Xero-Limit]

Originally Posted by sobrz

Great article. I switched from an NC to a BRZ 3 months ago and I echo all authors opinions.

Let me add: an NC benefits a ton from a good aftermarket header and tune. My NC with Brian Goodwin's street header and a tune from @moto-mike was MUCH faster than my BRZ is. It was also a much more fun daily driver due to better bottom/mid range torque.

Unfortunately, it looks like the only real option to make the BRZ faster is a $5K SC (from what I'm reading around here, the bolt-ons and tune don't even solve the torque dip).

Don't get me wrong, I love the BRZ, but I really hope to figure out how to make it as fun as my NC was.

In case you wonder why I switched: I drive my toddler daily, the BRZ clearly beats the NC in a "toddler hauler" category.

But if fun factor is your only consideration, you're less than 6.2, and you live in a warm place like CA, I'd definitely advise you to go for NC vs an 86.

As said above with a header and a tune the two get quite close. If you look at the dyno section on our website (news and info icon on main page) you'll see an NC vs BRZ dyno (without header BRZ, header MX5) and it is comical how the torque dip is the inverse at up top.

But the NC has the weight advantage. Our 06 with the 2.5 swap weighed in at 2460 the other day with a full interior and no weight reduction other than a muffler. BRZ is a good 200 lbs more unless you start shedding weight.

For the header/tune combos we routinely dyno high 180's on pump, 200 on e85. NCs around 150's-160's and about 10 more for e85 on those.

I'd say the BRZ and the NC both respond equally well with a good header (even borla) and a tune. Intakes and mufflers not so much, the NC does better there.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by sobrz

Unfortunately, it looks like the only real option to make the BRZ faster is a $5K SC (from what I'm reading around here, the bolt-ons and tune don't even solve the torque dip).

Don't get me wrong, I love the BRZ, but I really hope to figure out how to make it as fun as my NC was.

If you go by Moto-Mike's numbers, it sounds like it won't be too hard. With header + tune:

Miata: 2498 curb / 160 whp = 15.61 lbs/whp

BRZ: 2776 curb / 188 whp = 14.77 lbs/whp

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

If you go by Moto-Mike's numbers, it sounds like it won't be too hard. With header + tune:

Miata: 2498 curb / 160 whp = 15.61 lbs/whp

BRZ: 2776 curb / 188 whp = 14.77 lbs/whp

in terms of outright speed i guess but i think theres more to it than that. from my experience, its simply that its just not a fair fight as far as numbers go. the miata is just so much smaller and a little more visceral. it just takes less statistics to get the desired feel. i dont think its a good or a bad thing. just a different thing.

all that being said, it really confuses me that a car like this has been out of the us market for such a long time.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by fatoni

in terms of outright speed i guess but i think theres more to it than that. from my experience, its simply that its just not a fair fight as far as numbers go. the miata is just so much smaller and a little more visceral. it just takes less statistics to get the desired feel. i dont think its a good or a bad thing. just a different thing.

all that being said, it really confuses me that a car like this has been out of the us market for such a long time.

Yeah I was really only addressing his comment about the header + tune making the Miata "much faster" than the BRZ. Mod-for-mod, the BRZ still has the advantage in speed.

For non-speed related factors, it'll come down to personal preference. I've spent a good deal of seat time in NA and NC Miatas, as I had good friends who owned those cars. In normal driving, I actually do prefer a top-down Miata on a nice day, but at the track or anytime pushing above 7/10ths, my choice would be the BRZ. It's the better dual-purpose street/track car IMO.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Yeah I was really only addressing his comment about the header + tune making the Miata "much faster" than the BRZ. Mod-for-mod, the BRZ still has the advantage in speed.

For non-speed related factors, it'll come down to personal preference. I've spent a good deal of seat time in NA and NC Miatas, as I had good friends who owned those cars. In normal driving, I actually do prefer a top-down Miata on a nice day, but at the track or anytime pushing above 7/10ths, my choice would be the BRZ. It's the better dual-purpose street/track car IMO.

in that case i dont have much to disagree with. the brz is much more appropriate for daily driving compared to my miata experience (mainly because im 6'2"). i look forward to the day when i get actual track experience with my brz but ive got a track prepped miata so i dont know if that will happen any time soon. i bought the brz with the intent to sell my stock na but then i actually traded it for a significantly modified one from a reputable builder so here i am. great problem to have though.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by fatoni

in that case i dont have much to disagree with. the brz is much more appropriate for daily driving compared to my miata experience (mainly because im 6'2"). i look forward to the day when i get actual track experience with my brz but ive got a track prepped miata so i dont know if that will happen any time soon. i bought the brz with the intent to sell my stock na but then i actually traded it for a significantly modified one from a reputable builder so here i am. great problem to have though.

Definitely. I love having different cars to drive/mess around with, even though financially it's not the brightest idea. I've even thought about picking up a cheap Miata to use as a daily. Maybe if/when I move to southern cal and there's constantly good weather to enjoy top-down motoring.