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Given the bars between the GR86 and BRZ are physically different, I'm going to say that the rules will probably make me take a penalty for going between 'platforms' as a safety factor. Front camber bolts are allowed if I take the non-factory alignment penalty. Hardware to go beyond factory alignment is part of that penalty (except if it changes roll center). I currently drive a 2004 S2000 with square setup and OEM FSB... everyone said I'd be in oversteer city, I'm fine. Am I most competitive in it? Likely not due to the oversteer but its where I put myself to for personal development for the time being. Until I deem myself ready, I want to remain tail happy.
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What do you mean by "harder?" Without actually looking it up, I thought the big difference between iron and aluminum, other than weight and related thermodynamic properties, was plasticity characteristics. Specifically, aluminum would be less prone to bending or deformation, but when it does it's a catastrophic breakage rather than mere bending. Not sure how that effects the dynamics in this situation, though.
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That is a very, very strange thing for the designers of a supposedly 'driver's' sports car to be proud of.
I can only imagine the surrealistic meetings that must have taken place in Japan where it was decided to do this. |
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The fact that Toyota and/or Subaru haven't come out with a good reason for choosing iron or aluminum knuckle makes me believe it's purely for cost cutting reasons.
It's possible the BRZ is the more 'developed' platform, and Toyota used 'carry over' parts to try to differentiate itself from the BRZ. The difference in spring/damper/roll bar differences are enough to make the GR86 more tail happy than the BRZ. Regardless what the differences are, the only thing that matters is how it drives in the real world. Most buyers will just choose the bumper they like more. |
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Jalopnik review published today. Same person who drove the GR 86 two weeks ago. Takeaway is the diffference isn’t even perceptible unless you quickly drive the two back to back, and even then most people couldn’t tell a difference if you blindfolded them until they were in the car and then had all the interior logos covered.
Frankly, I’m more inclined to believe that take than trying to parse a hodgepodge of non-professional opinions into a definitive observation with a clear and specific alignment fix required for one car and not the other. But I’ll be happy to be wrong Re: the engine noise speaker, if it’s really in the dash then it’s significantly above the car’s COG and 1) they’re treating us for suckers with that line about moving the license plate frame lower all because they care so much about COG, and 2) I’m pulling that MF’er ASAP — not the wire, the whole speaker — since clearly I care about COG more than Toyobaru does |
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What is the 'foundations' of the supra exactly? No engineer said it was toyota parts? Its was always only toyota tuning. GT Sport, and other games do not compare. I'm not saying you have to like what they are doing, but games can only ever be an approximate how an engine responds - they miss so many details that may things properly convincing. Last edited by Blighty; 08-31-2021 at 11:23 PM. |
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I guess I'm new to the platform and going to see whats available and 'legal' within the rules. If not, YOLO!
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