GM Says They Will Dominate Tesla

[Atmo]

So the dressed their CEO as a dominatrix and put on a show at the Warren Tech Center.

They'll roll out 20 new EV's by 2023 using a new global platform plus advanced battery chemistry and design.

I used to get nauseous even thinking about electrified mobility other than golf carts but now that I have a PHEV on order (RAV4 Prime), I'm paying a little more attention.

Still too many unanswered questions for me, some political, so won't get into my opinions here, there are other forums for that.

Interesting play for GM but if/when I'm going to shop for an EV, it'll be a Toyota with their upcoming Panasonic solid state battery.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...la/4905906002/

[Dadhawk]

Well, the may not dominate Tesla but they sure as heck have a better idea on how a digital dash looks. This is out of the upcoming 2021 Escalade and eventually in their eSedan.

[soundman98]

this is why i find chevy now committing to ev's so funny.

https://jalopnik.com/gm-debuts-new-e...ago-1842094994

they had every chance to be tesla, and they gave it all away

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by soundman98

this is why i find chevy now committing to ev's so funny.

https://jalopnik.com/gm-debuts-new-e...ago-1842094994

they had every chance to be tesla, and they gave it all away

Personally I don't mind that they spent that time evolving their ICE vehicles instead. I'm also not a GM shareholder though ha

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Personally I don't mind that they spent that time evolving their ICE vehicles instead. I'm also not a GM shareholder though ha

Right. There was no viable market for EV's then and still won't be for some time.

As outgoing Toyota CEO Jim Lentz said last year, the alternative fueled vehicle market, mostly EV's, will at best be 5% of the US market by 2030. Maybe Toyoda didn't like that opinion, explaining why Lentz suddenly took early retirement, replaced by a Japan staffer.

Lentz may have underestimated that while tax credits still exist and new mandates force consumer EV adoption. That was also before Toyota's full commitment to solid state batteries that will probably accelerate demand with falling prices, greater energy density, range, recharging rate and price of admission especially in states with affordable and available electricity rates meaning not California, the biggest potential market.

Hybrids are another story and are currently the high flyers but the lack of EV infrastructure will be the weak link that will keep ICE's around.

It was alarming though when last year someone in the Supra project said it would be the last ICE car Toyota produces.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Atmo

It was alarming though when last year someone in the Supra project said it would be the last ICE car Toyota produces.

Well.. luckily Toyota doesn't produce it anyways

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Hybrids are another story and are currently the high flyers but the lack of EV infrastructure will be the weak link that will keep ICE's around.

in the US, yes. but other countries are starting to heavily legislate for an ev-only future, and that is going to heavily skew the long term results of that.

sorta like how the EU insisted on diesel for a variety of reasons, then came to the sudden realization what 'particulates' are, and now want to ban ICE...

and so far, GM still is intent on "the charging infrastructure is someone else's problem". while i understand the stance, it's also important to understand that tesla is the major EV player they are specifically because of their investments into their charging network.

i'm not fully convinced that any of the current oem's can upset tesla simply because all of them have adopted similar variations of "not our problem" statements when it comes to charging stations.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Well.. luckily Toyota doesn't produce it anyways

Wow, just realized what effective advertising did to me in short order.

[Lantanafrs2]

The only category gm will dominate Tesla in is recall/customer dissatisfaction

[dhuang]

For some reason, this reminds me of when Steve Ballmer laughed off Apple's announcement of the iPhone... At the time, Microsoft was finally releasing competitive Zune products against the iPod.

The rest is history and will continue to repeat itself.

Tesla is currently the market leader and so ahead of the game -- I think we'll all be surprised how quickly the landscape will change.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Right. There was no viable market for EV's then and still won't be for some time.

As outgoing Toyota CEO Jim Lentz said last year, the alternative fueled vehicle market, mostly EV's, will at best be 5% of the US market by 2030. Maybe Toyoda didn't like that opinion, explaining why Lentz suddenly took early retirement, replaced by a Japan staffer.

Lentz may have underestimated that while tax credits still exist and new mandates force consumer EV adoption. That was also before Toyota's full commitment to solid state batteries that will probably accelerate demand with falling prices, greater energy density, range, recharging rate and price of admission especially in states with affordable and available electricity rates meaning not California, the biggest potential market.

Hybrids are another story and are currently the high flyers but the lack of EV infrastructure will be the weak link that will keep ICE's around.

It was alarming though when last year someone in the Supra project said it would be the last ICE car Toyota produces.

Not a viable market...

In the US in 2019, Telsa sold 192k vehicles (3 models). BMW sold 324k vehicles (too many models to count). If you just compare the Model 3 to BMW's 2/3/4/5 series, then they sold more cars than them.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/10...y-a-landslide/

Model 3 is the 9th best selling car in the US.
https://interestingengineering.com/t...-car-in-the-us

The Model 3 is the 3rd best selling car in California beating the Corolla and Accord, which is amazing because it is a luxury car and is succeeding against other popular sedans at a time when companies like Ford is eliminating most sedans in favor of SUVs.
https://insideevs.com/news/399907/20...es-california/

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Atmo

So the dressed their CEO as a dominatrix and put on a show at the Warren Tech Center.

They'll roll out 20 new EV's by 2023 using a new global platform plus advanced battery chemistry and design.

I used to get nauseous even thinking about electrified mobility other than golf carts but now that I have a PHEV on order (RAV4 Prime), I'm paying a little more attention.

Still too many unanswered questions for me, some political, so won't get into my opinions here, there are other forums for that.

Interesting play for GM but if/when I'm going to shop for an EV, it'll be a Toyota with their upcoming Panasonic solid state battery.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/ca...la/4905906002/

I don't think GM will dominate because Tesla did what Apple did, which is create an ecosystem of reliance. Tesla does updates. Tesla has its charger network. Tesla is far ahead of the game in technology, in Gigafactories, in brand loyalty, again like Apple.

Also, Elon Musk said it himself, 'any one manufacture only controls around 10% of the market', so he doesn't see competition as a problem because he doesn't view his product as a niche market. If everyone comes out with EVs then he doesn't see his business selling less cars, as if they would be eating into his sales and a piece of the pie from that demand. No, he thinks demand would increase that much more because the prevalence of EVs would lead to more popularity and adoption, which will only fuel his business, as more support and infrastructure is codeveloped.

[why?]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I don't think GM will dominate because Tesla did what Apple did, which is create an ecosystem of reliance. Tesla does updates. Tesla has its charger network. Tesla is far ahead of the game in technology, in Gigafactories, in brand loyalty, again like Apple.

Also, Elon Musk said it himself, 'any one manufacture only controls around 10% of the market', so he doesn't see competition as a problem because he doesn't view his product as a niche market. If everyone comes out with EVs then he doesn't see his business selling less cars, as if they would be eating into his sales and a piece of the pie from that demand. No, he thinks demand would increase that much more because the prevalence of EVs would lead to more popularity and adoption, which will only fuel his business, as more support and infrastructure is codeveloped.

Tesla creates products with major flaws. Tesla products are absurdly expensive. The second Toyota and GM start rolling out EV's en masse Tesla becomes a niche product. I mean it already is and always will be a niche product with a tiny vocal fan base solely because of the price. Never mind the lengthy history of doing the dumbest things imaginable.



Charging infrastructure isn't important 90% of the time, and almost no households will only have 1 vehicle that is an ev, it is always a 2nd or 3rd car. That's still not going to change until solar panels are able to directly fully charge the batteries, and the foolish countries are going to be forced to change their fantasy pie in the sky legislation.



Tesla will not be able to compete with GM or Toyota when each has 10+ models of ev with dozens on every dealer lot world wide.

[Dadhawk]

GM and Honda announced they will be building Honda cars on the GM electric platform, including OnStar and SuperCruise.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...-super-cruise/