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I think a lot of the negative comments come from enthusiast that have not driven the H4 982s. Again, very similar to the negative comments hurled at the Twins from enthusiast that have never driven a BRZ or FRS. Sure, it's not going to be for everyone, but at least drive it first. I didn't have any of the bias of nostalgia when I began shopping for a Cayman. Well, that's not completely true. I knew that I wanted a Porsche (poster on the wall as a kid and all that). I test drove the H6 and the H4. I felt that the 2 cars were very similar in terms of ride, comfort, handling and steering. However, the acceleration and early torque from the H4 was immediately apparent. It was an easy decision for me.
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I've come to think that the 981 steering is actually not too bad. The weight is decent, although it seems to intentionally have no feedback, and the steering wheel is a little too big for executing quick turns. In some way this is a good thing; on the freeway my MR2 Spyder steering is very lively, but I've had a couple situations where I overcorrected a "twitch" and the car fishtailed a bit which was scary. Part of that is because the MR2 steering is overboosted, but if you turn off the power steering, you feel the wheel jerking around in your hand despite the resistance from the closed hydraulic circuit, which is amazing. I am guessing it comes down to steering/suspension geometry. The 981 seems to be a very good "cruiser", and feels very confident but not edgy when driven aggressively. Crank the wheel, the car goes where you think it should with no fuss and no effort on your part, which I can see being a desirable feature for the average driver. The FR-S steering is really quite nice, it has a little bit more weight than the 981, some amount of feedback, and not too twitchy. Maybe a slightly quicker rack would be nice. As far as the 987.2 goes, I think an often overlooked option is the 987.2 base. At 2.9L it's got a little more torque than the 981's 2.7L, and it's port injected which means lower maintenance costs, in theory. I saw a 100k mile one for 25k last year but decided to pass on it in favor of the FR-S to be more financially responsible lol. The biggest thing that bothers me about the base models is that the engine block is basically identical but they shrink the bores dramatically to drop the displacement, so the engine weighs much more despite having way smaller displacement. Given the rather stiff and heavy chassis, it seems like the platform was designed to handle the higher hp of the 3.4-3.8L motors, which feels like a waste. However for the casual driver, this isn't something you'd pay attention to or be bothered by. Last edited by serialk11r; 01-04-2017 at 07:17 PM. |
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I don't thinks steering feel and twitchiness are the same thing. You can have lots of feel and great stability, or no feel and instability.
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Man, does it ever. I rank the GT3 I drove above both the Cayman R and 458 I tracked at the same place.
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It's the same way people compare a v6 and a v8 camaro/mustang. A better comparison would be if they changed a corvette from a v8 to a v6 most people would pretty much hate it because it would basically be a downgrade even if the car was faster. |
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I wasn't that impressed by the GT4: it's surprisingly large in-person, and it's got that "too fast for the road" feel, with gears so long you never get out of second while doing any kind of weekend driving. It also felt like it has that 991-era, gives-no-fucks-about-your-inputs-and-just-goes suspension feel (it felt a little like the 991 GT3). I'm sure a GT4 would be a great track car, but for road driving it kind of felt too proficient to be interesting. |
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haha, thats what i think when i am tracking my 987.1 Cayman against new GT3s, Ferraris and McLarens. I am the scrub of my group, especially when in a BRZ. But, i keep up pretty well. Thank god for tracks under 2 miles in length.
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Yeah, after the shock of owning a GT4 wore off after a few months, i think you are likely correct. The Cayman R is a great road/track car. The GT4 is more serious, and those cars tend to not be as exciting on the road after you realize that you can never utilize its talents. But, the idea of a 3.8l finally being put right behind my butt in the Cayman, makes me feel pretty good.
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In fact the gearing between my car and a GT4 is probably quite similar, when you consider the GT4's redline is 600 rpm higher.
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The GT4 just felt a little clinical-- like you didn't really have to pay attention to anything at all to go fast. Closer gearing would be fun. It would be nice to be able to bounce it off the rev limiter a few times before 75mph. |
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It does comes alive on winding roads the faster you go. The computers automatically stiffen up the active suspension and the dynamic engine mounts when the g-force increases. It's more responsive the more aggressively you drive. The GT4 requires more steering force than the BRZ so that will prevent many testers from discovering it's incredible steering responsiveness. For a weekend car it's great, the engine feels and sounds incredible and what a great shifting gearbox. |
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You guys are explaining exactly why I don't have a Porsche. Too fast for the street. Hence twins.
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You need something REALLY slow / down on grip to make an effective "fun at legal speeds" car. As in, full vintage car status-- horrible (but fun!) suspension, no power, bad brakes, bicycle tyres, etc |
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