2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep. Older empty nesters with higher levels of disposable income for weekend toys. It isn't like people all of sudden want new Corvettes at age 60 it is simply that is when they can finally afford them.

Exactly, because the Corvette has a bulk of its sales from non-enthusiasts, from the classic middle aged conservative American man who can finally afford the sports car, but doesn't really want one. This is why the GTR, Cayman, etc have younger and more diverse demographics for the same or more expensively priced vehicles. The Corvette has always been a great performing car and a great priced car, but it more represents the zenith of American sports cars over the pony cars, not including the financially out of reach Ford GT.

Going back to my point from post 1491, the Supra will likely be used as a daily driver much more than the Vette, so although the Vette is well equipped for the money, we should probably consider the Supra just as equally well equipped, especially considering the power the car will be able to achieve at the same price as the Corvette.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Are you trying to say I'm a 1%er.

Why do I not feel like one.

Don't even need to go to the expensive cars.



And people think it is odd that so many "old" guys own these.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well none of this is surprising when you consider the average age of new car buyers (of all types) in the US is 53 years old, and folks 24 and under represent 1% of the new car market. Source here.

In my opinion, the new car "average age" is skewed by a couple of things. First, most people in the "older bracket" will own multiple cars that were purchased new. Second, a lot of times the new car is purchased by the older person but benefits the younger person.

I just find it interesting that the average buyer of the Corvette is six years older than the average for all vehicles, and the average age of Cayman buyers is six years younger than the average car buyer or twelve years younger than the average Corvette buyer, and the Cayman is priced similar, if anything, the Cayman probably gets optioned for much more money, but this all is to give credence to the observation that has led to the stereotype of the middle aged, mid-life-crisis, Corvette owner.

[maslin]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I just find it interesting that the average buyer of the Corvette is six years older than the average for all vehicles, and the average age of Cayman buyers is six years younger than the average car buyer or twelve years younger than the average Corvette buyer, and the Cayman is priced similar, if anything, the Cayman probably gets optioned for much more money, but this all is to give credence to the observation that has led to the stereotype of the middle aged, mid-life-crisis, Corvette owner.

As well as the 40-something trust fund/country club Porsche stereotype.

Colin Dougherty had a speed shop called CDOC in downtown Charlottesville, 2005 or so. I'd never seen so many fishing shirts, Costas and black cards in my life, and I spent a decent amount of time terrorizing actual country clubs as a teen.

If only I'd known what a RUF was at the time. I could only afford the Ringers gloves and an OMP suede steering wheel for my s13




They did let me climb in to this one time.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I just find it interesting that the average buyer of the Corvette is six years older than the average for all vehicles, and the average age of Cayman buyers is six years younger than the average car buyer or twelve years younger than the average Corvette buyer, and the Cayman is priced similar, if anything, the Cayman probably gets optioned for much more money, but this all is to give credence to the observation that has led to the stereotype of the middle aged, mid-life-crisis, Corvette owner.

Yep. Looking at age and price alone skews the results when comparing across makes. Maslin nailed the difference in the demographics that buy the two different makes.

[gymratter]

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[Irace86.2.0]

B58 Teardown

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[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by wrxgoose

Yeah, that's where I work now. Was this you?

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Haha, nah that wasn't me. I was a passenger in my sister's car going to Raintree, so I wasn't able to get a closer look. Otherwise I would have Also I think we met a long time ago, like 6-7 years at a Cars and Coffee, shortly after you supercharged your FRS and I was thinking of doing the same to my white BRZ.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I was shooting for basic prices. You can spend over $4k for a titanium exhaust. You can spend significantly less than $750 for a straight pipe down at Joe-Smoe Mufflers. $750 was reasonable for a basic catback.

Hah, well sure. I just assume that someone who buys a nice $60k car isn't gonna slap on some shit exhaust. You can't buy a decent brand name exhaust for an S2000 for that price, so I don't see it happening for a Supra.

(or maybe I've just become accustomed to Porsche aftermarket prices )

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Haha, nah that wasn't me. I was a passenger in my sister's car going to Raintree, so I wasn't able to get a closer look. Otherwise I would have Also I think we met a long time ago, like 6-7 years at a Cars and Coffee, shortly after you supercharged your FRS and I was thinking of doing the same to my white BRZ.



Hah, well sure. I just assume that someone who buys a nice $60k car isn't gonna slap on some shit exhaust. You can't buy a decent brand name exhaust for an S2000 for that price, so I don't see it happening for a Supra.

(or maybe I've just become accustomed to Porsche aftermarket prices )

A good exhaust shop will not make a shit exhaust

And if your talking anywhere past the turbo, design is simple, with some basic math skill you can design a turbo back exhaust to suit your power and sound requirements

Adding a brand name only adds cost not necessarily quality or performance

100% of the race cqrs or big Hp cars I know have either had their exhausts made at a exhaust shop or in their own garage

Brand name pre-fabed exhausts are more a convenience thing

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[vh_supra26]

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/exc...from-eag.2128/

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

B58 Teardown

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I'm curious to see where this build goes. How will they build the motor? Will they make a custom intake manifold, losing the water to air intercooler for a large FMIC? Will they port the head for a big turbo application? Will they modify the bottom end, or will this just be a piston/rods build?

The 2JZ was square (86x86). The B58 is under square (82x94). I know the redline is 7k in the B58 and less in the 2JZ, but the bottom of the 2JZ could handle much more when the head was built, so I wonder if there are plans to square off the engine to gain some rpms (assuming that could improve the top end by reducing piston speeds). The 2JZ has siamese bores. I can't tell if the B58 is also siamese. I don't know how much room there is for increasing bore. I'm curious if the smaller bore means the engine length is slightly shorter than the 2JZ. I like that they have an engine girdle too like the guy said to strengthen the block while reducing oil aeration and windage/drag on the crankshaft.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

A good exhaust shop will not make a shit exhaust

And if your talking anywhere past the turbo, design is simple, with some basic math skill you can design a turbo back exhaust to suit your power and sound requirements

Adding a brand name only adds cost not necessarily quality or performance

100% of the race cqrs or big Hp cars I know have either had their exhausts made at a exhaust shop or in their own garage

Brand name pre-fabed exhausts are more a convenience thing

Steel porn > https://www.racemufflers.com/Oval-Ex...ing-s/1832.htm

Support you local businesses

Up until the 90s or so going to shop and getting a custom exhaust made was really the only option. There were a handful of places that made performance headers (8 to 12 weeks for delivery after order) and mufflers but the pipes were usually up to you. Many of us just bought the bending equipment and welded up our own. No design, no math, no engineering, just avoided sharp bends and keep things as straight a flow as possible.


We just did not have the readily available brand name options that everybody has today.








When did he lose the cigar and turn pink? Bloody modern political correctness!

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/exc...from-eag.2128/

I don't know what I am looking at lol Is that a 86 that is an auto with a stick that has the push to start in a flip up cover and a gated pattern to manually operate the automatic gears? What an odd picture to use.

To the article, I will quote myself from this post.

Just wait for a conversion kit to be released eventually, but don't hold your breath for a MT from the factory.

It seems that didn't take long, and it is also inline with what I said here, that Toyota could sell a manual at a significant price markup and people would pay, and I bet Toyota/BMW could do it cheaper than $12k, but honestly, I would consider that price reasonable for such a feature.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I don't know what I am looking at lol Is that a 86 that is an auto with a stick that has the push to start in a flip up cover and a gated pattern to manually operate the automatic gears? What an odd picture to use.

To the article, I will quote myself from this post.



It seems that didn't take long, and it is also inline with what I said here, that Toyota could sell a manual at a significant price markup and people would pay, and I bet Toyota/BMW could do it cheaper than $12k, but honestly, I would consider that price reasonable for such a feature.

We have yet to see if they will pay that. Still doesn't even give a firm price anyway. Add shipping the car there (if unable to drive it) and the cost can easily go over $15,000. You had better REALLY want that MT!


They used that picture because "We also asked Bartosik which shifter he plans to use for the manual Supra and he said "I really like the one from the GR concept car," in reference to the hybrid Toyota GR HV Sports concept"