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Old 05-19-2020, 11:57 AM   #911
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Interesting that the timeline seems to be right on track...

New Sienna recently unveiled...expected by fall of 2020 still

And the new CUV was unveiled yesterday, also expected by fall of 2020

https://www.autonews.com/cars-concep...ossover-lineup

Hopefully the timeline continues to stay on track....
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Interesting that the timeline seems to be right on track...

New Sienna recently unveiled...expected by fall of 2020 still

And the new CUV was unveiled yesterday, also expected by fall of 2020

https://www.autonews.com/cars-concep...ossover-lineup

Hopefully the timeline continues to stay on track....
The timelines of the hybrids are still on track. Funny they are all that they revealed though isn't it.
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Old 05-19-2020, 12:29 PM   #913
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The timelines of the hybrids are still on track. Funny they are all that they revealed though isn't it.
Looks like they unveil about 2 season before release...by that I would've expected the new twin reveal in winter of 2020...before the outbreak....
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Old 05-19-2020, 12:48 PM   #914
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Looks like they unveil about 2 season before release...by that I would've expected the new twin reveal in winter of 2020...before the outbreak....
Most likely coincides with the autoshows that are usually held around the time of the unvieling.

Sienna/Venza could have likely been unveiled during the New York Autoshow (April)
gen2 86 could be North American International Autoshow (Jan) or any of them around that time.
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Going outside of the total economy and focusing purely on automotive things look different. The industry was already starting to head into decline in 2019. The manufactures recognized this and were already making preparations. Then Covid came along and gave a knockout punch. There will be no quick recovery for automotive.




Pre Covid news. There is plenty more of the same.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/20/busin...ion/index.html
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Covid causes a dispersion from the cities, people stop using mass transit and ride sharing, and much of the WFH becomes semi-permanent. Economy recovers, and people still have/want to travel to various things, and don't want to take public transit/ride share/taxi if there is any. Thus, the automotive industry may enter an unexpected renaissance.
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Covid causes a dispersion from the cities, people stop using mass transit and ride sharing, and much of the WFH becomes semi-permanent. Economy recovers, and people still have/want to travel to various things, and don't want to take public transit/ride share/taxi if there is any. Thus, the automotive industry may enter an unexpected renaissance.
The cheap commuter car may make a resurgence in that scenario. Why do you think that the huge focus is on hybrids right now?
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The cheap commuter car may make a resurgence in that scenario. Why do you think that the huge focus is on hybrids right now?
The 86 is a relatively cheap commuter car...
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The 86 is a relatively cheap commuter car...
Yes sure. Look at the millions they have sold to the general public so far. Makes Corolla or Prius sales looks like trash.
Unfortunately you can try to spin it positive all you want it isn't what the majority wants and will not be high on the list of new cars released.


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It is made into something that the general public DOES want in which case most of the people here will hate it.
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It is made into something that the general public DOES want in which case most of the people here will hate it.
You are so right. Toyota got involved so their name wouldn't remain synonymous with toasters. That for the most part is the only reason. Subaru got to fill surplus production capacity and might have brought a few more loyal Subaru buyers into the fold in the process. Subaru does have incomparable brand loyalty, once they win you over. Especially in places where efficient AWD is really useful.

Without Toyota's size and finance and Subaru's manpower, none of this would happen.

Cars built purely for profit aren't sports cars at the lowest price point generally. That's a tough proposition no matter what. It's not like the 90's when consumers bought 4 sporty Toyotas, Paseo SR5, MR2, Celica GTS or the Supra.
Al Gore and a lot of other factors change things. Market demand is for a Swiss Army knife vehicle these days. That's why Ford is dumping sedans. Specialty vehicles, sports cars, offroad etc are a very small minority these days. And things cost a lot more to build. We all know about economies of scale. If Toyota sold one vehicle only it would probably be the RAV 4 for North America.
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. If Toyota sold one vehicle only it would probably be the RAV 4 for North America.
A hybrid one!
All their press releases say is hybrid this , electric that. Hybrid, hybrid, hybrid.
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A hybrid one!
All their press releases say is hybrid this , electric that. Hybrid, hybrid, hybrid.
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Recently read that bicycle sales are up 600%.

The next gen 86 may be a push bike ?

(may have been motoring.au)
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Recently read that bicycle sales are up 600%.

The next gen 86 may be a push bike ?

(may have been motoring.au)
Fatigue induced torque dip?
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Recently read that bicycle sales are up 600%.

The next gen 86 may be a push bike ?

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