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Old 03-08-2019, 07:26 PM   #29
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The problem isn't the goop, it's the technicians inability to handle it.

I've been gluing engines together since 2006, still haven't blown one up. All the engines I'm around are glued together, it's normal for us.

Slow down, be careful and don't blow up engines. Simple.


Should also note, this stuff isn't "RTV", the nasty smelling silicone stuff everyone has seen. It dries almost hard and doesn't act like that sticky crap at all.
Yep, I reckon that some of the dealerships aren't believing that 5 minutes of supervision while applying the sealant isn't worth the time or money.


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Old 03-08-2019, 07:28 PM   #30
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Yes the material itself is not at fault. The poor application and/or removal of the material is.
agreed.....that is why a pre-fab gasket may likely be the solution for this problem or at least make it easier to put these puppies back together without killing them!
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Old 03-08-2019, 07:32 PM   #31
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The question isn't if a 1217H FIP gasket works well or not; it obviously does when a robot or top-flight mechanic who is familiar with exactly how and where it is to be applied actually does the work. The problem is that, after the fact, when robots or experienced specialists are not available to undertake this task, the human element seems to introduce failure with this stuff at a MUCH great rate than a human would simply using an old style, manufactured-for-this-specific-engine gasket. I've done one head gasket under the supervision of an experienced mechanic (which I am certainly not), a ton of valve cover gaskets, waterpumps, thermostats, etc., and have never had a gasket-related failure due to my admittedly mediocre mechanic skills and limited experience. It's pretty safe to say that if I undertook this job, I can say with certainty I'd create a grenade instantly. I can't even make a nice caulk line around a bathroom tub.
Even if it were possible, the opportunity for profit in making an aftermarket gasket that serves the same function as the 1217H FIPG in our engine is probably nonexistant. On the other hand, it may very well have given a lot of these well-meaning mechanics a better chance at success.
Don't put to much trust in the robot application either. Robots can and do screw up all the time. Just about as often as people do. Believe me I live it every single day. The problem with robots applying the sealant incorrectly is that it would be very difficult to quality control since it is internal and not visible. They could have hundreds of bad ones and not know it unless you had somebody sitting there looking closely at each one as it was assembled. This of course would defeat the purpose of having a robot!
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agreed.....that is why a pre-fab gasket may likely be the solution for this problem or at least make it easier to put these puppies back together without killing them!
The parts would have to be machined to accept a rubber gasket, or even a paper gasket. The liquid gasket forms only a tiny gap between the two pieces, taking out any irregularities more than anything.

The 722.9 Mercedes awd transfer case was put together with basically no sealant, some hard stuff that didn't work. The thought was that the surfaces were machines perfectly, sealant wasn't really important. They leaked, and we glued them back together with the normal engine sealant (similar to this "Threebond" stuff). Then cars started showing up with black sealant and no leaks.

This stuff make a very fine film between two closely matched parts. It's not blue RTV for gluing a thermostat on a '72 Ford pickup.
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agreed.....that is why a pre-fab gasket may likely be the solution for this problem or at least make it easier to put these puppies back together without killing them!
They are not going to all of a sudden make a gasket. Keep in mind that a few dozen, hundred or even thousand blown engines is almost meaningless it the grand scheme of their business. They will carry on with the updated instructions and replace the engines that blow when they are not followed.
I don't think there has been a single definite case where they have made anybody pay. There were a couple where they played the game but I don't think they have been resolved one way or the other yet. All the rest just got it replaced with no hassle. Total pain in the ass to the individuals but not even a blip in the company's overall business plan.
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It makes sense more FRSes have this issue than BRZes... A shit ton more FRSes were sold and are out there. Almost 3:1

I'm nervous though. My engine was replaced (not a used engine, a new long block) by Toyota last year. So far it's been good, but this recall thing makes me a little nervous that maybe Toyota techs can't handle building a boxer?
Toyota techs didn't build the engine, if it was replaced they received everything they needed without having to do much to it.

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That's for splitting the block open, not pulling the valve covers and timing chain cover.
They aren't pulling the heads or splitting the block for this work.
You mean they shouldn't be.
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You mean they shouldn't be.


No he means they aren’t. The heads aren’t removed and the block halves aren’t split. All they do is remove the timing cover, valve covers, cam caps and then cams and rockers.
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agreed.....that is why a pre-fab gasket may likely be the solution for this problem or at least make it easier to put these puppies back together without killing them!


As already pointed out a prefab gasket wouldn’t be reliable on this engine due to the gazillion different surfaces that intersect. Even the FIPG fails on the bottom right of the timing cover because there are so many intersecting parts in that spot.
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It probably knocked on their test drive too.
Test Drive ? picked mine up this morning and checked the odometer vs. that they recorded when I dropped it off. They did not even add a mile ....
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Toyota techs didn't build the engine, if it was replaced they received everything they needed without having to do much to it.
Actually, yeah they did. I saw it in 3 boxes before they built the engine. It did not come assembled.
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Actually, yeah they did. I saw it in 3 boxes before they built the engine. It did not come assembled.
They ordered a short block and two heads, or was it an assembled long block with additional parts?
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Actually, yeah they did. I saw it in 3 boxes before they built the engine. It did not come assembled.
Then it wasn’t a long block. Also, “building an engine” is pretty much defined by putting the pistons in the block. Putting heads on and timing an engine is assembling parts.



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Nice to see ya! I need to drop those wheels spacers off, I’ll find time this weekend, tax season is crazy.
Nice to see you too! Yeah no worries! Anytime is good.



My car is currently at lithia springfield for the recall... They said my car was going to be number 6 that they had done.
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