gt 86 worth 40k!!!???

[fatoni]

the car is not worth that much. imo, its worth just about what it costs in america. its a great car for its price but its far from a great car. granted i dont know what your local car market looks like but i would assume that there is a used miata or something similar that will give you 95% of the frs experience for 15% of the price.

[f0rge]

that price is absurd for what you're getting.

the don't have miata's where you're from?

[frslee]

That is one steep price for FR-S. If you struggle to finance that price, I would look for something else.

[campy]

For some of these prices wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy one in japan/US and import it?

[naikaidriver]

Originally Posted by campy

For some of these prices wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy one in japan/US and import it?

Clearly you have never looked into importing (legally) a car into the US from Japan.

My best friend in Japan owned a car dealership outside MCAS Iwakuni. He mostly catered to service members but would occasionally sell JDM car parts on ebay and he and I ran that little "side business" together.

Now, without taking into account military TMO moves of JDM, RHD cars into the US (which is considered "gray-market"), and illegally imported cars (black market), in order to bring a JDM car into the US is monumentally difficult. If this were not the case, there would be FLOODS of JDM RHD cars being sent to the US all the time since, for example, I can buy a 1992 Nissan Skyline GT-R over there in decent shape for less than $10k. I bought mine for $8k and that same car with legal registration would be worth well over $40k here in the US.

Now for the tricky part. First, you have to buy the car in Japan and without licensing it, that will cost you extra since you can not ship a car out of Japan if the license is valid. It must be deregistered first to clear customs, this costs ALOT! The next step is to organize for shipping, and actually, that is the cheap and easy part since there are many freight companies that will allow you container space for the car.

Once the car hits US shores, the red tape comes out and this is where you will incur the most cost and run the biggest risk. In customs, you will have to pay (in advance) the bond for the car which is directly tied to the value of the car. For a $10,000 car this would run just over $20,000. That money is held until the car clears the bonding area. The car will not be released from the bonding area until it has been cleared by customs and that means FULL inspection of the vehicle and paperwork. That means you will need to have DOT and TSB certification for THAT vehicle (similar vehicle doesn't count), you will have 30 days to get the car licensed before customs will release it.

There are some other steps but I did this 10 years ago so you will have to forgive my memory.

If for any reason you fail to meet all of the requirements within 30 days of the car reaching US shores, your bond will be forfeit and the car will be destroyed. There were a LOT of GTRs, ITRs and Silvias lost this way.

There have been a few cars brought to US shores for private owners but the vast majority were sent to tuner shops for race/show vehicles. I only helped successfully send ONE R32 GTR to the States and he was the son of a prominent US Senator. They don't play by the same rules as the rest of us I assure you.

Scott

[KritiK]

I payed 31k euro in spain with leather and manual transmision

[DarkSunrise]

Depends what other cars cost in your market and what you're looking for. If there are no other lightweight RWD coupes for under $40k (and that's what you're looking for), then yes it's worth it. If there are 5 others, then it might not be.

[OnionTou]

Originally Posted by 12345qwerty

hi ft86 members i've been following this forum since the ft 86 was announced ( yes the prototype) Now lets get back to the topic lets say i live in a developing country and theres no scion dealership so i have toyota, and they charge 40k (41,450 to be exactly) for the gt 86 and was looking for alternatives to the gt 86 due to its high price (compared to the si) and the only "sporty" car that i can find is the civic si which is 27-28 (thats the price for 2012 when i asked last year don't know about the 2013 but should be less than 30k) and more thing i can't test drive them because they are "special order" i can ask my friend that has a 2012 to test it but he is not here, but i cannot say the same about the 86 because lets say i think theres only 1 in the whole country, so i want to know opinions about if the 86 is worth the 10-12k over the si??
thnks.

I was never sold on the idea of owning a sports car, until I got invited to a track day and test drove the Renaultsport Megane III Cup 265, so I started researching sports cars. The Renault was $40k, the VW GTI was $42k, the WRX is $40, and the Civic Si is close to $39k.

When I researched the GT86, the starter version is $31k, and the more complete version (larger rims/wheels, ventilated rear discs, and other comforts) is close to $39k.

Eventhough $31k is cheap in comparison to the other cars I mentioned above, It's still frakking expensive, and even more considering what the normal wages are around here.

Whether it's worth the price is really up to you.

[Lauren]

I paid the equivalent of $45K for mine in the UK.

[Ericc B]

The 86 costs the same all around the world. The difference in local prices is only caused by local taxing, like import tax, sales tax and "new car tax" like we have here in the Netherlands and Scandinavia.

So it rarely makes any sense to import a new car, because once you cross the border and register it you will be charged with all the local taxes nevertheless. Sometimes getting one from a neighboring country could save you a few bucks when you can find a place that offers a better discount, but considering all the hassle even that is usually not worth it.

Some of us are simply more lucky where they were born than others.

[Jahdai42]

Yes, in my homeland there is a 45% import duty + an excise tax of up to 120% based on the value of the vehicle + insurance + freight

so a $24k (after shipping and insurance) car ends up costing $66k, and that is if you import it yourself and not a dealer.

[Tanuki]

Originally Posted by Habe46

Im struggling with the same problem here.
The starting price here is 46k (in USD) and it takes the fun out of it.

The "problem" is that I went to a trackday with Toyota Sweden, with five GT86´s and ran the autocross for the whole day. So now I KNOW i have to have one

How´s the price range for a used one in your country?


PS. Sorry for the bad English!

You can buy mine. I will ship it to you.

[Max Schnell]

Originally Posted by Habe46

Im struggling with the same problem here.
The starting price here is 46k (in USD) and it takes the fun out of it.

The "problem" is that I went to a trackday with Toyota Sweden, with five GT86´s and ran the autocross for the whole day. So now I KNOW i have to have one

How´s the price range for a used one in your country?


PS. Sorry for the bad English!

The question is what else can you get for that 46k? Its all relative. I know it is expensive at about 309,000 krona but depending on what else you can get for the same money it may be worth every bit of that money in Sweden.

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by 12345qwerty

hi ft86 members i've been following this forum since the ft 86 was announced ( yes the prototype) Now lets get back to the topic lets say i live in a developing country and theres no scion dealership so i have toyota, and they charge 40k (41,450 to be exactly) for the gt 86 and was looking for alternatives to the gt 86 due to its high price (compared to the si) and the only "sporty" car that i can find is the civic si which is 27-28 (thats the price for 2012 when i asked last year don't know about the 2013 but should be less than 30k) and more thing i can't test drive them because they are "special order" i can ask my friend that has a 2012 to test it but he is not here, but i cannot say the same about the 86 because lets say i think theres only 1 in the whole country, so i want to know opinions about if the 86 is worth the 10-12k over the si??
thnks.

Get the 86, you really don't want an SI. Someone suggested a Miata, although that's a worthy second choice it's not as practical as the 86 My advice would be to aim for the 86. You can't go wrong with the car, good power good looks and it won't break the bank.