EE review of 2017 BRZ

[guybo]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Not to mention his rebuttal of those who say "this car isn't worth the money because for the same amount, you could get X with 300+hp", discussing the expenses and challenges involved in making a lightweight vehicle.

One of the stupidest things I have read was one review that asked why anyone would buy a new FRS when for the same money you can get a Porsche (Cayman I think?) with 60,000 miles for the same money.... Well no shit sherlock, but what about those 60k miles?

There's always alternatives at every price point, just choose what you want.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by guybo

One of the stupidest things I have read was one review that asked why anyone would buy a new FRS when for the same money you can get a Porsche (Cayman I think?) with 60,000 miles for the same money.... Well no shit sherlock, but what about those 60k miles?

There's always alternatives at every price point, just choose what you want.

I'm more sympathetic to that perspective, because at least the cars follow a somewhat-similar philosophy (like if someone cross-shops a used S2000 with a BRZ).
I think the most galling ones, are the "But why not Mustang/Camaro, bro?" crowd, since it completely ignores the different missions of the cars.

[guybo]

My father-in-law once asked why I got a "Jap car"* and not a domestic like a Camaro or a Mustang. He's out of touch with newer cars and thinks the new cars are like the old ones and American is the way to go. A Camaro is a good car- reliable, powerful, looks great but it's a boat and the V8 is expensive, my wife loves her V6 though. A Mustang is not built to last and is only slightly less boat-y than a Camaro and a V8 is again, expensive. I'm sure I'd have fun with any of them, but not as much fun as the FRS.


*HIS quote, not mine. There's a reason I avoid hanging out with him.

[Da Brz]

Originally Posted by guybo

One of the stupidest things I have read was one review that asked why anyone would buy a new FRS when for the same money you can get a Porsche (Cayman I think?) with 60,000 miles for the same money.... Well no shit sherlock, but what about those 60k miles?

There's always alternatives at every price point, just choose what you want.

There was a time when I scoured autotrader for slightly used Caymans. You can find them in the low $20ks. I recently found out, though, that at around 60k miles, they require about $20k worth of maintenance to get it back to where it was when it was new.


That's if you pay someone to do all the work for you, but still. It scared me away from Caymans.

[Chris S]

Originally Posted by Da Brz

There was a time when I scoured autotrader for slightly used Caymans. You can find them in the low $20ks. I recently found out, though, that at around 60k miles, they require about $20k worth of maintenance to get it back to where it was when it was new.


That's if you pay someone to do all the work for you, but still. It scared me away from Caymans.

Not sure whee you got that misinformation. You s/b able to find the Cayman's maint. schedule on Porsche's website. I had an '07 Cayman S, and it required no more maintenance than a typical boring car. Yes, oil changes and anything the Porsche dealer does will cost more, but it wasn't that expensive to own aside from the acquisition price. Tracking can get expensive w/ consumables (as well as the possibility of oil starvation w/ pre-DI models), which is one reason I'm considering getting a BRZ.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by guybo

My father-in-law once asked why I got a "Jap car"* and not a domestic like a Camaro or a Mustang. He's out of touch with newer cars and thinks the new cars are like the old ones and American is the way to go. A Camaro is a good car- reliable, powerful, looks great but it's a boat and the V8 is expensive, my wife loves her V6 though. A Mustang is not built to last and is only slightly less boat-y than a Camaro and a V8 is again, expensive. I'm sure I'd have fun with any of them, but not as much fun as the FRS.


*HIS quote, not mine. There's a reason I avoid hanging out with him.

Ask him if he knows how many of the components in the "American" car were built in America by American owned companies.

[Da Brz]

Originally Posted by Chris S

Not sure whee you got that misinformation. You s/b able to find the Cayman's maint. schedule on Porsche's website. I had an '07 Cayman S, and it required no more maintenance than a typical boring car. Yes, oil changes and anything the Porsche dealer does will cost more, but it wasn't that expensive to own aside from the acquisition price. Tracking can get expensive w/ consumables (as well as the possibility of oil starvation w/ pre-DI models), which is one reason I'm considering getting a BRZ.

Thanks for the info!


A buddy of mine sent me the link to the forum where he read that but I didn't keep up with it and don't feel like asking him to dig it back up.


May have just been an overzealous owner or something.


PS - After doing some digging of my own, part of his problem was an IMS failure, I think.

[Misfire]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ask him if he knows how many of the components in the "American" car were built in America by American owned companies.

I always get people with this when they make comments about my Legacy, I'll tell them my Japanese car was built in Indiana, where was your "American" car made...? Which in truth, many are still built here, its just the whole "made in America" dogma some people get stuck on that irritates me. At least with cars.

Also, this: https://www.cars.com/articles/the-20...1420684865874/

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Misfire

I always get people with this when they make comments about my Legacy, I'll tell them my Japanese car was built in Indiana, where was your "American" car made...? Which in truth, many are still built here, its just the whole "made in America" dogma some people get stuck on that irritates me. At least with cars.

Also, this: https://www.cars.com/articles/the-20...1420684865874/

Even if the car is assembled in America many of the parts are not made there. Of the parts that are actually made in America more than half the companies are owned by places in Europe or Japan. Many of the big name parts manufactures are no longer American owned but most people have no clue about it.

[Misfire]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Even if the car is assembled in America many of the parts are not made there. Of the parts that are actually made in America more than half the companies are owned by places in Europe or Japan. Many of the big name parts manufactures are no longer American owned but most people have no clue about it.

I understand this, but trying to get someone with 'Murica blinders on to comprehend it is probably not worth the time.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Misfire

I understand this, but trying to get someone with 'Murica blinders on to comprehend it is probably not worth the time.

LOL Didn't think you thought otherwise. We have the same goal in mind.

[guybo]

Yeah I don't bother to explain to him that the Dodge HE knows is not an American company and the cars sure as hell aren't like the ones he knows. I pointed out that his daughter's (my wife's) Camaro is made in Canuckistan, but I had to prove it and show him the door jam sticker, made in Ontario somewhere.

[Watch Me Run]

Originally Posted by guybo

Yeah I don't bother to explain to him that the Dodge HE knows is not an American company and the cars sure as hell aren't like the ones he knows. I pointed out that his daughter's (my wife's) Camaro is made in Canuckistan, but I had to prove it and show him the door jam sticker, made in Ontario somewhere.

Canuckistan LOL

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by guybo

Yeah I don't bother to explain to him that the Dodge HE knows is not an American company and the cars sure as hell aren't like the ones he knows. I pointed out that his daughter's (my wife's) Camaro is made in Canuckistan, but I had to prove it and show him the door jam sticker, made in Ontario somewhere.

Canuckistan? Really?