Innovate Stage 2, Race to 300WHP w/o E85 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Jeremiahlee34 · 01-06-2016, 10:09 PM

So my question is what is the best/most efficient way to hit 270-300whp on my FRS without e85.

(I live in Maine and E85 is extinct here, lol)

My set up: 2013 FRS
Innovate stage 2 sprintex 210 supercharger (stock injectors and fuel pump though)
Stock headers
J2 quad catback exhaust (I have the catless downpipe but haven't installed)
Perrin CAI
Dual Radium catch cans

Any tune suggestions/what other upgrades should be done to hit 270-300whp?

I am very new to tuning so forgive my ignorance.

s2d4 · 01-06-2016, 10:11 PM

Race gas

bfrank1972 · 01-06-2016, 10:39 PM

Call Mike at Moto East, depending on where you are, he might be a drive away. Master tuner with good experience with these blowers. You'll probably need a good set of headers too, there's a few for sale right now on the forum if you want to economize.

Jeremiahlee34 · 01-06-2016, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bfrank1972

Call Mike at Moto East, depending on where you are, he might be a drive away. Master tuner with good experience with these blowers. You'll probably need a good set of headers too, there's a few for sale right now on the forum if you want to economize.

Thank you !

D_Thissen · 01-06-2016, 11:24 PM

Ditching that OEM header and replacing it with a catless one, should help free up some ponies.

Toyota86.ir · 01-06-2016, 11:27 PM

Header has major role .
Mike tuned both 210 and 335 sprintex.
You can call him about upgrading to 335

Rifle · 01-07-2016, 01:19 AM

Just for reference, I'm dyno-tuned by Mike.

Sprintex 210, w/ 69mm pulley, on 93 octane. Full Catless Exhaust, UEL.
Can't really add much more timing on regular gas. Even with e85, Mike has told me it'll reliably make 290-295. Water Meth should put it about 275ish.

@moto-mike tagged since you've been requested.

Dream20b · 01-07-2016, 09:16 AM

think about custom SC cams

bfrank1972 · 01-07-2016, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rifle

Just for reference, I'm dyno-tuned by Mike.

Sprintex 210, w/ 69mm pulley, on 93 octane. Full Catless Exhaust, UEL.
Can't really add much more timing on regular gas. Even with e85, Mike has told me it'll reliably make 290-295. Water Meth should put it about 275ish.

@moto-mike tagged since you've been requested.

Interesting, I thought somewhere I saw someone had over 270whp on pump gas, but I might be smoking crack too. Either way I think Mike is a good bet for maximizing what you have.

Edit: I think it was crack, or E85 rather

sorry

Jeremiahlee34 · 01-07-2016, 10:41 AM

@Rifle @bfrank1972 thank you guys, very insightful.

I sent Moto Mike a messege. I think I will probably get some new headers soon as well.

Any recommendations for headers that will add to the car prof ordnance wise but not tooo too loud? Or could I just add a resonator to counter act it?

Rifle · 01-07-2016, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeremiahlee34

@Rifle @bfrank1972 thank you guys, very insightful.

I sent Moto Mike a messege. I think I will probably get some new headers soon as well.

Any recommendations for headers that will add to the car prof ordnance wise but not tooo too loud? Or could I just add a resonator to counter act it?

With the J2, you're going to be stupid loud with a header, no matter how many resonators you add.

I would recommend an EL header for FI application/performance gains. It's what I've switched to now. Tomei EL is what I'm using.

Jeremiahlee34 · 01-07-2016, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rifle

With the J2, you're going to be stupid loud with a header, no matter how many resonators you add.

I would recommend an EL header for FI application/performance gains. It's what I've switched to now. Tomei EL is what I'm using.

Thank you. That's unfortunate about being stupid loud lol.

Do you use a catless header? Also is a UEL louder then EL?

I have been talking with Moto Mike and he thinks my best option to hit 270whp ish is WMI with some new headers and smaller pulley

Rifle · 01-07-2016, 07:11 PM

I wouldn't say that they're anymore loud than each other. The air is more free flowing in an EL and thus has the performance gains. W/M and a 69mm pulley. Call it a day.

Jeremiahlee34 · 01-07-2016, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rifle

I wouldn't say that they're anymore loud than each other. The air is more free flowing in an EL and thus has the performance gains. W/M and a 69mm pulley. Call it a day.

I see. makes sense. Ordered a 69mm pulley today! Probably will get W/M and new headers in the next few months.

Any supporting mods needed for the W/M or 69mm pulley?

and last question, what WM kit / Headers would you recommend? for maximum power gains

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Jeremiahlee34 Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Drives: FRS innovate supercharged Location: Maine Posts: 31 Thanks: 25 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	@Rifle @bfrank1972 thank you guys, very insightful. I sent Moto Mike a messege. I think I will probably get some new headers soon as well. Any recommendations for headers that will add to the car prof ordnance wise but not tooo too loud? Or could I just add a resonator to counter act it?

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