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09-17-2015, 10:23 PM | #43 |
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Here's my opinion on HPDE cars.
You do one of these things: 1. 100% stock. That means seats and seatbelts are OEM and in good condition. 2. Full prep. That means a roll bar at least (harness bars are really the dumbest invention ever to see a track car), 5/6 point harnesses and rigid seats. Also, IMO, driver and pass side should match as far as the level of safety gear.
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With a bar and not a cage I would. Odds of a rollover in a track prepped car driving on the street are even lower than rolling it at the track. I tow everywhere now though but mostly for when I smash the car into a wall. It will happen eventually.
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I can't speak for the SN95 in question of course, but I've had mechanical issues on track that almost caused a wreck and the car was very well inspected ahead of time. Outside of DEs of course a small car to car incident can have a massive effect that isn't immediately obvious (have see a fire result from one that burned the car to the ground about 12 hours after a minor rear hit broke a hole in the exhaust right in front of the fuel tank). Then of course there's always the first car to hit a previously unknown oil spill......
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Yeah, go to Slummit to see car launches and rollovers all the time
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Do we have any data on this? I always see it mentioned. Let's say same corner/car/etc, you have a: 225/45/17 - Rival S/Star Spec/etc 225/45/17 - NT-01/R888 (or are you considering the Hoosier in the R-comp discussion, even then though) We are talking what, possibly a 5-6 mph increase in apex speed, if that? Again, Miata world, but on the average 1:45 lap, typically the R-comp is worth ~1.5-2 seconds per lap.........how much extra corner speed does that really work out too? However, I will agree that they do give much less audible feedback for a beginner. |
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Less to do with increased corner speed and more to do with this statement, it's generally accepted that it's harder to save a car that's sliding on slicks than street tires.
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Hence my distinction between these and "real" R-comps like Hoosiers in my statement. I would agree with newbs not starting on Hoo-Hoos. |
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It's a combination of the speed (in my Integra it's worth about 8-10MPH, straight speeds end up being about the same, less acceleration but higher exit, blah blah blah) and the breakaway characteristics. Most novice drivers and many intermediate can't handle a car that steps out quickly, greatly reduce the notice and increase the speed and bad shit is more likely to happen. That's logic over data to be sure but I've seen it from the passenger seat too often to doubt it.
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unless you are racing or time trials, I don't think it is worth the money going above $200 per tire. I'd say that around $175 is where i want to be.
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