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No doubt the aftermarket will come up with some fogs or vents or at least trim to fill them in. What I am overjoyed to see is that they reduced the size, flush mounted and used the body colour on the door handles. Those were one of the things that put me off buying back when I was shopping around. Door handles should not be the first thing that draws your eye.
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Not sure how accurate their observations were, but assuming it's true, I really liked that they've mentioned stability during sliding at 30:36, this is something a lot of modern cars lack of and being overly twitchy in drifting, while the new Z is very stable in drifting and easily maintains angle. Looks like this Nissan's feature carried over to the new Z, which is great. Another very good point they mentioned is a very good front end grip, they even said that it's better than on Supra. Again, not sure how true that is, but from looking at the video, it's quite believable. Of course I'd love to test it myself.
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I agree with you on the handles though. I saw a high end car this weekend that had bright chrome on the door handles and that was all you could see. The days of chrome have passed us by I believe.
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Pretty sure the "Active" part of the Supra and M diff isn't just that it is a Haldex system, but that they use multiple vehicle sensor imputs to activate the LSD before traction is ever lost. It entirely possible the Nissan uses an active diff too, but I haven't seen anything, and I am sure Savagegeese would have said something more if they did. Their technical breakdowns are pretty detailed. https://www.carbibles.com/2023-nissa...od-brakes/?amp
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Well yeah, the GR Supra has a horrible factory alignment. Mismatched camber and toe is very common to be found on them off the boat. I'm pretty sure a day-one tech at GoodYear could do better. Add in the active diff's occasional weirdness, staggered tires and bump steer issues early adopter encountered, and your up for a white knuckle track day and one twitchy rear! A real easy fix but, an eye opener comming out of an 86.
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Thanks, but no thanks. Don't want that electronic sensor crap anywhere near my car.
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Unfortunately there will always be electronic sensor crap with a Haldex system. The difference is whether it engages after traction is already lost (using less sensors and less algorithms) or it engages before traction is lost (using more sensors and more algorithms) aka active. Active diffs and torque vectoring diffs will out perform a basic haldex diff. They probably feel better than a basic diff that tries to use individual wheel braking or anything else to control vectoring or whatever using the ESC system.
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IMO they should have gone for a helical diff like the twins. It’s the perfect compromise for a street car. It’s simple, you get predictable lockup, and there’s no clutch packs to wear out, special friction modifiers needed or electronics to go wrong.
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IMO helical diffs aren't the best. They tend to be overly locked under light load, but will open up if one of the rears is sufficiently unloaded. I've found a light-preload clutch-type with ramps that progressively lock more with more applied torque to be both less intrusive on the street and to provide more consistent lockup during hard cornering over curbs at the track.
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In my experience a mild-preload clutch-type acts a lot more linearly and with less cycling between full-lock/full-open behavior vs. helicals. Helical in my S2000 and in my BRZ act fully locked under very low speed parking maneuvering with a lot of steering angle, then would radically go from 100% to 0% during such maneuvers when one of the rears unloaded as when pulling into a ramped drive. Clutch types I've run would be seamless and operate unobtrusively in the same situation. There's nothing about the operation of a minimal-preload clutch-type that should cause anyone to crash. If anything I've found them to act more consistently at the limit vs. helical. Last edited by ZDan; 05-18-2022 at 12:25 PM. |
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