left-foot braking with AT

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Tcoats power level is over 9,000

He must have an awesome limit break.

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Originally Posted by go_a_way1

Alright I got it! Just get hand controls like handicap (or disabled I don't mean to offend anyone but this is 2016, cant be too careful) people have. That way you can use your thumbs for gas and brakes and its much safer then your 2 foot driving thing.

/End thread and lets all move on with life okay?

I tried but the car's bluetooth won't recognize it.

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Originally Posted by Uplink

I tried but the car's bluetooth won't recognize it.

Face palm you guys are ridiculous I give up haha.

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Originally Posted by Toyarzee

Seriously, you're stretching here. It's been tested, proven, and taught at all driving schools. Whether you have some arduous and abstract excuse for an alternative or not, the original logic has not carried such flaws for a century of driving evolution.

Actually, you're forgetting one part of the equation... the Least Common Denominator. ie, people.

Think about where your average person falls on the chart combining reflexes, dexterity, and comprehension. Now realize that half the population falls below that line since it was an average. Because of this, certain 'mundane' tasks are dumbed down to their simplest form so more people can 'get it'.

So to your point, which would be easier to teach the largest group of people?

Also, on the subject of 'better', it could be argued for either side but the economy of scale pretty much dictates that unless you are trying to extract every last iota of performance from the vehicle, the gains from one method over the other are negligible at best. However the gains from KISS are greater over a wider sampling of the population.

(not starting a flame war, just playing devil's advocate.)

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi

The while car is pretty much controlled by computer right? What if we just wired up an xbox controller and OP can use left trigger to brake

You know, I was going to say what about steering but that's electric on our cars too right?
You may be onto something here.

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi

While I very much agree. PC>>>>>>> console. But a mouse and keyboard would be insanely hard to use while being thrown around inside a car

And dealing with all the pop-ups on the touch screen would be downright bothersome.

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Originally Posted by Ashikabi

If you NEED top autocross driver skills on your daily commute... you're doing it wrong

Or are you...

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Originally Posted by go_a_way1

Face palm you guys are ridiculous I give up haha.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by Uplink

So, I can tell you from personal experience, in certain situations the pedal dance is required. Case in point, diving into the toe of the boot at WGI where you have a handful of camber and you're heading into the hillside for more mechanical grip when the car decides (even though VSC/TC is "OFF") you're turning too much too fast and starts straightening you out towards the outer armco. Not a pleasant feeling.
Fast forward to the same corner after PD and the lap timer showing higher speeds, better sector times, and a confident warm-fuzzy in the driver.

As far as Ice Mode, I've experienced it only twice getting a little overzealous in AX with LFB, rotation, and trying to keep the RPM's up. Best guess, the problem compounds when turning because the wheels are naturally rotating at different speeds that the computer has to account for, add in the G's and yaw sensor inputs, sprinkle with throttle position sensor and poof... *BSOD*

Again, all the above is not street driving, just an example that the computer does not always know best.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...

Correct. Good info for OP since he is talking about street driving

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Twin4Life

And "So guys, I crashed Twin" thread in 3....2....1....

Some idiot slammed on his brakes in front of me. I didn't stand a chance. When will people learn to drive.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mdm

Just a short question - how much of that was in an AT car using your left foot to brake?


I have (roughly) 30- 50k in AT with left-foot braking, probably 60-80k in AT with right-foot braking and a comparable number (can't recall exactly) in MT.


Again, if anyone can link to an actual study about probability of pedal mix-up for left-foot brakers comapred to righ-foot breakers, I'd love to see it.

Ohhh about half so a million or so were spent behind the wheel of an AT.
None using my left foot to brake because it is just a dumb way to drive.
Does this answer meet your strict question response requirements?

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Originally Posted by Uplink

Quote: Originally Posted by Chanpion
But on our cars, we actually do have a system if both pedals are hit in a panic situation, only braking will be applied, I believe it's on most Toyota ECUs. *Actually, let me check the validility of this claim, I remember seeing it but want to make sure.

Now you've got me curious. I'll try after work* and post the results.

*Professional driver. Closed course. Do not attempt.

Ok, @mdm, so on sitting in the car I immediately had a *facepalm* realization in that what you were asking many of us have done literally hundreds of thousands of times... Blipping the throttle under braking to rev match for the next gear. If the system cut power when both pedals were depressed, you wouldn't be able to do this.

But as a proof of concept that maybe it senses if you're in gear or not (and since my lot is basically deserted after 6), I accelerated and without lifting hit the brakes. The engine kept pulling right into ABS as the track pads stop the car hard and releasing the brake pedal the car resumed accelerating like a rubber band.

That's on a MT. I'll hazard a guess that the AT will respond in kind.

For a point of reference, the AT might have more guards against other forms of abuse (like neutral drops). ie, on the last model Celica, if you rev to a high RPM and slam the shifter into gear, it will drop the RPM to a reasonable 2k-ish range before engaging drive. However, if you power brake (another example of 2 pedals simultaneously), it would let you build significantly more RPM since there is less drivetrain shock.

Hope any of this helps.

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Originally Posted by whataboutbob

FINALLY someone who knows the right reason.

I'm always late to the party.

[MrDinkleman]

Originally Posted by Uplink

Ok, @mdm, so on sitting in the car I immediately had a *facepalm* realization in that what you were asking many of us have done literally hundreds of thousands of times... Blipping the throttle under braking to rev match for the next gear. If the system cut power when both pedals were depressed, you wouldn't be able to do this.

But as a proof of concept that maybe it senses if you're in gear or not (and since my lot is basically deserted after 6), I accelerated and without lifting hit the brakes. The engine kept pulling right into ABS as the track pads stop the car hard and releasing the brake pedal the car resumed accelerating like a rubber band.

That's on a MT. I'll hazard a guess that the AT will respond in kind.

I will have to check my owner's manual but I believe the throttle override is only on AT cars.