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Pfizer |
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53 | 51.96% |
Moderna |
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27 | 26.47% |
Johnson & Johnson |
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6 | 5.88% |
AstraZeneca |
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4 | 3.92% |
Novavax |
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0 | 0% |
Sputnik |
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1 | 0.98% |
Convidecia |
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0 | 0% |
Homebrew with a big dose of something special |
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11 | 10.78% |
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They have yet to release more info but it appears people's deaths were attributed to other causes and no Covid19 tests were performed on many people that died. Now, analysis of the numbers indicates the uptick in other age groups and areas might have been overlooked as those also having been infected. I am guessing that other illnesses going untreated during the pandemic and increased suicides could be at least partially the cause. They also intend to make testing mandatory with all reported seriously ill or mortalities. Here's the article. Keep in mind the word might https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/canad...aths-1.6084595
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The data has been there all along. Covid deaths are underreported, or we have an as-yet unidentified cause of excess deaths. Way beyond reasonable year-to-year variance. A friend used to do a bunch of analysis and share... But not something I can share or I'd provide the reference. The denial is what scares me the most.
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Does the statistical analysis point to unreported covid deaths as likely, sure. But that seems to be based on certain assumptions, and a different study can come to a very different conclusion by making different, but entirely reasonable assumptions. |
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Okay, barring any other assumptions, what other candidate event is there to explain the excess deaths in every single global region in 2020?
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Early on in the epidemic there was a lot of talk about COVID deaths being overreported when the real issue was an underlying cause COVID brought to the forefront (a respiratory issue, obesity, etc). Ultimately, it seems that both under and over reporting are likely in specific circumstances.
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ER being at capacity would cause some. People staying quiet instead of going to the doctor would cause some. Very much not all direct causation.
And yeah, it could be a lot of things. We don't have the data to prove anything this late in the game and can't go collect it.
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I'd go with reduced access to healthcare and well as rising mental health crises during the pandemic being underlying reasons for increased overall mortality rates.
Can't do PCM tests on all these people who didn't provide specimens for that test so it's too late to verify anything. It's all speculation but it is probably safe to say Covid19 caused an increase in mortality in more ways than infecting its victims.
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Statistical analyses can never really "prove" anything - particularly inferential analyses. All they can do is offer support for a lesser of better educated guess. In this instance someone (not me - at least not yet) could probably create relatively well specified model incorporating as many independent variables as possible _- "shit happens" is not one of them ![]() My bet is at the end of the day Covid will win out, probably by a strong margin. It would be an "interesting project."
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Even if all the "other" additional deaths could be contributed to other diseases or causes, there is a good chance the overwhelming impact COVID had on the overall healthcare system played a part in other causes leading to death.
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So let's think about it for a bit.
What we'd like to do is to specify a model that would incorporate as many potential causes/explanations for the number of excess deaths as possible. What sorts of things/events could we include? Natural disasters? Famines? unrelated healthcare system collapses (we know many health systems collapsed - due to the covid crush) but might there be non-covid related instances? Outbreaks of other diseases? Which ones? Covid aside, what about 2020 was special? What would make so many more people die of cardio-pulmonary (or other) diseases than would normally be expected? What do you guys think?
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Mass suffocation from all the cover-ups?
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