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I'm exploring more camber this year, may go up more in front. Also may try a 1k lower front spring vs rear later in the season. Trade-offs. I think wet/cold/ crap surface suffers at higher rates, and grippy loves it. Especially in how the car works through hard transitions: slaloms and offsets, and how you can apply throttle, how late you can brake. So not sure if that means up in the back or down in the front. 2k spread was too snappy for my liking.
Or maybe I'll just drive it and have fun.
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I'm enjoying this thread! I posted my previous setup, about three years ago. I've learned a lot since then, and changed a few things around.
The advice to copy the top finishing cars is very good advice. I try to do this, but I'm still convinced to do some R&D on my car occasionally. For this year, I traded in my 2013 Limited BRZ and bought a 2013 Premium BRZ. My previous car had some issues I didn't care for, primarily with fitment of everything, and a mystery engine power issue. I drove enough other BRZs and FRSs in the last year to know they all vary slightly, and mine was a dud. I sold that car to someone who has the time, inclination, and ability, to fix it. Regarding the mystery engine power issue: after I sold my Limited, and bought a different Premium, WTY-84 was announced! I have not autocrossed my current 2013, yet, and I'm getting the recall work done next week at a dealer who is performing 10 of these a week (lots of Imprezas). I'm feeling good about the outcome. Suspension Dampers: RCE Tarmac 3's (Recommended valving) Springs: 500F/500R (aka 9k) Sway Bars: Whiteline 22mm adjustable front (full stiff), Mann 13mm adjustable rear (medium) Rear LCA: SPC with DIF bushing Front Endlinks: Hotchkis adjustable (custom shortened) Rear Endlinks: Perrin polyurethane Alignment & Suspension Settings Ride Height: 33cm hub center to fender (higher than last year) Slow speed: 4 from soft Highspeed: 4 from soft Rebound: 10 from soft Alignment: -3.6 camber, 1/8" toe out front | -2.6 camber, 1/16" toe in rear | ~6 caster front (I stopped trying to change my KPA) KW recessed front camber plates for Club Sports MSI rear strut mount plates, custom KW spring perches Engine & Drivetrain WTY-84 (lol) Header: nameless 4-2-1 (custom fab 2.5") Exhaust: 2.5" custom Intake: Stock box with K&N filter and Mishimoto inlet ECU: EcuTek custom tune LSD: Guard Transmission Wheels/Tires, etc Wheels: 17x9 Enkei RPF1 45mm offset Tires: Bridgestone RE-71R, BFG Rival S 1.5 or Michelin Pilot Sport 4S (245/40-17) Brakes: Stock calipers, Hawk HP+ pads, DBA 5000 front rotors Battery: Shorai 5 lb Bushings: Yes, Whiteline and SuperPro. The remaining stock ones are on the differential, but those have Whiteline inserts. Similar to the statement from a fellow poster, I do drive a different car in ice racing, I have gone to a Dirtfish two-day class, The Subaru Winter Experience with Patrik Sandell (of Subaru Motorsports and ARX), and I'm always thinking a little bit different about car setup and lines on course because of that. |
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On wheel offset: I was at +35 all around and the car was fine, but I would hit cones with the rear tires more often than not without realizing. After talking to Terence a little he mentioned staggering the offset and after I did that, no more phantom slalom cones. Seriously Jon & Terence did a ridiculously good job of setting up that car. It's not surprising, but damn I don't think I could ever do it as well as they did. |
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I don't think anything is really a secret, and I'm certain Jon posted the specifics some time ago but I don't know where. Then everyone was like "it's too soft and will never work."
![]() Top line summary is what I mentioned in my setup post. Good EL header and full exhaust with custom tune, OSGiken, Mann rear bar and some spring rate changes. The EL has more top end without sacrificing the midrange gain, OSG stabilizes the car on entry and puts down power better on exit, rear bar and springs are to compensate for the OSG's handling characteristics. |
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I'm checking temps, yes. They're inconsistent depending on temps and surface. Or because I am. Or both. Easy change for me though, so trying some things and checking data.
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iirc that car was 5k F, 9k R, AST triple adjustables with Mann engineering assistance who I believe would happily assist most anyone in getting the right parts on the car. @oinojo posted something about it I think in a thread about ride height started by @cjd @jwisjw posted in there too about the travel he gets on the Megans (and I was a **** non believer back then)
The trick does seem to be diff+spring+bar with that setup as I struggled with an almost identical spring setup on the stock diff and bar, but there were certainly other factors affecting me back then. On temps I've done stupid things because that's what the temps told me, like running 37 psi hot and thinking -3 camber was enough. Test with a clock, watch wear patterns, explore the envelope when you can to make sure you're in the right spot. |
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Here's my setup, going on 2nd year without any real changes.
Suspension MCS 2WR, 400/400 rates with Raceseng CasCam in front and 1" hats in back Racer-X RLCA with a custom housing for DIF delrin bushings Perrin adjustable front 22mm), Mann 13mm adjustable rear (usually set to medium) Whiteline KLC180-195 front endlinks Racer-X rear endlinks All the whiteline poly things: diff inserts, subframe inserts Alignment Camber: -3.5*F, around -2*R Toe: 0 front, slightest toe in for the rear Caster: 6*? ish? irrc Haven't measured ride height in a long time, but I am probably going to go to 4* or more of camber on my next alignment, just to try to keep off the shoulders. Engine/Drivetrain bits ACE A-350 JDL Ultra Quiet Front Pipe Perrin 2.5" resonated catback K&N Panel filter Perrin intake elbow thing Full sized battery (lol) ECUtek with tune from VitViper LSD: OS Giken with "stx" tune (1-way and whatever other special sauce thrown in) Wheels/tires: 2 sets of Konig Hypergrams, 17x9 +40 1 set of Konig Ultraforms, 17x9 +40 1 set of Kosei K6R, 17x9 +42 1 set of Enkei rpf1, 17x9 +35 (daily driver setup, Conti ECS). The only other that I have that is a bit atypical is a Personal Grinta steering wheel with QR (and spacer weights to make it class legal). That's mostly for my comfort on long drives so I can sit how I want). If 949 comes out with the spacer for the stock steering wheel I'll probably add that back in. I bounce around between re71s and rivals for the autox stuff, depending on weather and location. For packwood the Re71s seems to do better, though on a warm summer event I'll run the rivals. For crow's landing the BFGs suit me better. I just flipped two sets of re71s and they're terrible so now those are Evo school or really small/bullshit local sets because of how bad they are lol. Of course the missing component to all this is talent. Womp womp. |
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Hi tony_r, which wheel spacers are you using?
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I'm pretty much full lemming here.
2016 Scion FRS: Suspension: MCS 2W Remotes - Custom Revalve & Piston 400/350 Rates Raceseng Camber Plates/Raceseng 1" Top Hats in Rear Front: -4.2* Camber, 0 Toe Rear: -2.5* Camber, 1/16" Total In Ride Height - Front Wheels 25" from floor to center of fender above wheel. Rear set for 1/8" Rake Perrin 22m Front bar set on Soft/McMaster Carr Custom Endlinks (Soon to be Karwan FSB) Mann Rear Bar set of Stiff (I adjust all the time though). RacerX Endlinks RacerX LCA Whiteline Subframe Insert Bushings Engine: aFe Momentum Intake JDL 4-2-1 Header JDL Ultra Quiet FP/OP Combo w/Cat Perrin 2.5" Exhaust MotoEast/XeroLimit Custom Dyno Tune Wheels/Tires/Misc AP Racing BBK w/Ferodo DS2500s RPF1s 17x9 +35 with 245/40/17 RivalS 1.5s Antigravity 680CA Battery w/PFTuning Tray IMO, car doesn't need a diff. Lugod is not stupid, he knows how to setup cars and clearly has mastered a setup around an OSG...however don't think you're going to instantly find seconds with going to an OSG. I could be wrong, but meh. Played around with spring rates. Ended up softer in the rear on purpose because I like running more shock when possible. Revalve for this season should help running less shock when needed for wet or asphalt conditions. Car is pretty much money on concrete IMO. Changed around alignment settings this year. Use to run -3.5* Up front and -1/16" out. So we'll see what does that. I think I was sacrificing some front grip.
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