Official FT-86 Specs / Info Thread

[DanZilla]

Originally Posted by Blokatos

Electrical mechanism to lower the roof in 6 secs???

5 Seconds.

[cr22]

In regards to the car not sounding like a boxer (if that blogger is real after all):

The familiar boxer rumble comes from the unequal length headers on the turbocharged cars. IIRC the N/A boxer motors have EL headers and it smoothes out the characteristic rumble of the WRX/STI.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by cr22

In regards to the car not sounding like a boxer (if that blogger is real after all):

The familiar boxer rumble comes from the unequal length headers on the turbocharged cars. IIRC the N/A boxer motors have EL headers and it smoothes out the characteristic rumble of the WRX/STI.

You can always get UEL header. That's what I did... Well if they make it for this car.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Don't know if anyone caught this tidbit, but here's some potentially bleak news on the concept's weight from 7tune:

http://www.7tune.com/hot-off-the-pre...ow-sneak-peek/
Adam says:
October 22, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I believe the engineer I spoke to said the car weighed 1300kg. They wouldn’t let us shoot under the bonnet unfortunately. They did start the car up and give it a rev but it didn’t sound like a boxer at all. I own an STi and know the sound well so I’m not sure what’s going on there. Also, despite my insistence, there was no confirmation on turbocharging. At the moment it’s going to remain N/A apparently.

Also interesting that it apparently didn't have the boxer in it, so no idea what impact that has on the weight...

I imagine a less flashy interior would drop the weight down a bit too, but still, 2860 lbs is quite a bit porkier than I would have liked to hear

Toyota better start hacking off some more material from that car...

Hobidas Auto
K, there's Japanese website that talk about FT-86 and had really interesting stuff.

I just gonna cut it out one paragraph out of the article:
"　スバル製2.0リッター・ボクサーの目標性能は230psほどというが、この数値も少し欲張りすぎな気 がする。車重1200kg以下に収められるのな ら、180～200psもあれば十分だろう。そもそもライトウェイトスポーツは、絶対的速さを追求するクル マではないのだから……。速さや、高い限界性能 は、失敗したときのリスクの大きさにも比例することが多い。"

I'm assuming that Tetsuya Tada (Chief Engineer of this project) is saying that (roughly translating). & ppl who can read Japanese can make sure I'm not BS'ing and prove me that what I'm translating is true.

Subaru 2 Liter Boxer Engine's Mark Performance is 230ps, but I feel that this number is bit greedy. If we can hold the car's weight to 1200kg (2645 lbs), 180~200ps should be plenty of power. In the first place Light Weight Sport car isn't pursing for high speed. Speed and over the limit performance are when they fail the size of the risk is proportionally big/high.

... that means I pray might be heard of having the weight of 2600ish?

[Slothman86]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Hobidas Auto
K, there's Japanese website that talk about FT-86 and had really interesting stuff.

I just gonna cut it out one paragraph out of the article:
"　スバル製2.0リッター・ボクサーの目標性能は230psほどというが、この数値も少し欲張りすぎな気 がする。車重1200kg以下に収められるのな ら、180～200psもあれば十分だろう。そもそもライトウェイトスポーツは、絶対的速さを追求するクル マではないのだから……。速さや、高い限界性能 は、失敗したときのリスクの大きさにも比例することが多い。"

I'm assuming that Tetsuya Tada (Chief Engineer of this project) is saying that (roughly translating). & ppl who can read Japanese can make sure I'm not BS'ing and prove me that what I'm translating is true.

Subaru 2 Liter Boxer Engine's Mark Performance is 230ps, but I feel that this number is bit greedy. If we can hold the car's weight to 1200kg (2645 lbs), 180~200ps should be plenty of power. In the first place Light Weight Sport car isn't pursing for high speed. Speed and over the limit performance are when they fail the size of the risk is proportionally big/high.

... that means I pray might be heard of having the weight of 2600ish?

Nice!

[Jordo!]

2600 lbs + 230 bhp as a do-able limit works for me!

If Toyota doesn't push it past 200, I will

Translation into Engrish via Alta Vista Babelfish: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

[Slothman86]

babel fish is always a funny read but you get the point from it

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

2600 lbs + 230 bhp as a do-able limit works for me!

If Toyota doesn't push it past 200, I will

Translation into Engrish via Alta Vista Babelfish: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

So give or take, my translation was some what correct. lol

Hm... Never know about the 230ps. Maybe TRD edition might bring it out 230ps. They still have time to decide.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

So give or take, my translation was some what correct. lol

Hm... Never know about the 230ps. Maybe TRD edition might bring it out 230ps. They still have time to decide.

Thanks for your translation -- far superior to Babelfish. Just wanted to get more details (if any) from the link


I just like the idea that Toyota (?) seems to feel 230 bhp could be safely achieved with the motor.

Given the inclination for manufactuers to stay well below the upper limits of what a motor can produce before it's about to break suggests that with a TRD/Greddy/whatever FI kit, something in the 250 - 260 ball park should be perfectly fine.

By my estimates, at 2600 lbs and ~260 crank, the car will have the potential to upset 370Z owners in a straight line as well as in the curves :happy0180:

...and be less expensive and have Toyota reliability -- now that's a winnner!

[NeXuS-GT]

Originally Posted by cr22

In regards to the car not sounding like a boxer (if that blogger is real after all):

The familiar boxer rumble comes from the unequal length headers on the turbocharged cars. IIRC the N/A boxer motors have EL headers and it smoothes out the characteristic rumble of the WRX/STI.

Correct, my friend's Impreza RS 2.5 2001 got this rumble sound when he installed is Borla Exaust.

[White Comet]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

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By my estimates, at 2600 lbs and ~260 crank, the car will have the potential to upset 370Z owners in a straight line as well as in the curves :happy0180:

...and be less expensive and have Toyota reliability -- now that's a winnner!

And it's also a complete fantasy. It is not going to happen.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by White Comet

And it's also a complete fantasy. It is not going to happen.

Not from the showroom... that doesn't mean I won't make it happen for my car

The question is, can be done on the stock motor without breaking something, and based on that comment from Tada, the answer seems to be a tentative "yes".

[White Comet]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Not from the showroom... that doesn't mean I won't make it happen for my car

The question is, can be done on the stock motor without breaking something, and based on that comment from Tada, the answer seems to be a tentative "yes".

Fair enough, but a Z owner can take off a fair bit of weight themselves (SCC took 700 lbs off of a 350Z, albeit it was bare), and that block will hold over 400 whp safely on stock internals (and this new block is rumoured to be stronger than the original VQs in the early 350Zs), so that brief advantage to your car goes away.

I'm just comparing apples to apples here. But I hope you're right about the block. Actually, this being a subaru boxer engine, unless they really cheap out, it should be good for over 300 whp on stock internals. We will see, though.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by White Comet

Fair enough, but a Z owner can take off a fair bit of weight themselves (SCC took 700 lbs off of a 350Z, albeit it was bare), and that block will hold over 400 whp safely on stock internals (and this new block is rumoured to be stronger than the original VQs in the early 350Zs), so that brief advantage to your car goes away.

I'm just comparing apples to apples here. But I hope you're right about the block. Actually, this being a subaru boxer engine, unless they really cheap out, it should be good for over 300 whp on stock internals. We will see, though.

Eh... not the N/A block. I'm guessing 275-300 crank and every day will be the ragged, ragged edge. Below 275 (say, 260ish) will probably be safe with a good tune if 230 is the factory target.

I don't need to keep up with boosted Z's... beyond a certain point, you just have to get it to where it's fun to drive. I'd say something in the 1 hp per 10 lbs meets that criteria, at least for me.

With that in mind, the 370Z can manage 0-60's in under 5 seconds with that power:weight ratio, so sounds like a good target to me.

I'm not going to worry about more than that unless I blow the motor... I'd rather not do that

How the hell did SCC shed 700 lbs without a blowtorch?!