2013 BRZ won't turn over replaced starter, battery, st cut relay

[dewittk]

So I have been racking my head against a wall on this one. It started with a worn TO bearing. So I replaced clutch, flywheel, to bearing and clutch fork. After putting ever thing together now all I get is a click from the starter tell me the solenoid is activating but it is not attempting to turn over.
I have already replaced the battery and starter after bench test showed bad starter. Also while checking the electrical system found the ST cut relay which is normally open had shorted at 2 points. So that was replaced after all of this the starter is still clicking.
Anyone have any ideas?

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[RZNT4R]

When you have a car that starts and drives, and you do something on it, and once you're done it does not start and drive, always checks what you've done first before throwing parts at it.

with that said, the first and easiest step is to check for a forgotten ground wire. If you've got jumper cables just jump the battery negative terminal to the engine, see if it starts.

If it still clicks, confirm that the engine spins freely by rotating it a full turn with a ratchet on the crank bolt.

Starters are fundamentally simple devices: if the solenoid clicks, the motor should spin and drive the engine. If it's electrical needs are satisfied and what it's trying to turn isn't seized, it should crank, unless it can't interface with the flywheel. If the drive gear is hitting something before it's full stroke, be that an incorrectly installed something or the wrong something, that effectively stops the solenoid from snapping shut it's big high amp contact and engaging the actual drive motor.

[mswbrz]

Read this similar issue bro
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=116689


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[dewittk]

Using a big ratchet on the harmonic balancer we have checked for free operation of the engine so it is not binding. I have also grounded the starter from the negitaive terminal directly to the neg side of the battery still getting just a click.

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[dewittk]

Originally Posted by dewittk

Using a big ratchet on the harmonic balancer we have checked for free operation of the engine so it is not binding. I have also grounded the starter from the negitaive terminal directly to the neg side of the battery still getting just a click.

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Also just tried grounding the engine to the neg battery terminal still getting a click. Using probe have tested all the fuses in the fuse box also ensuring proper voltage when attempting to start

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[humfrz]

Originally Posted by dewittk

So I have been racking my head against a wall on this one. It started with a worn TO bearing. So I replaced clutch, flywheel, to bearing and clutch fork. After putting ever thing together now all I get is a click from the starter tell me the solenoid is activating but it is not attempting to turn over.
I have already replaced the battery and starter after bench test showed bad starter. Also while checking the electrical system found the ST cut relay which is normally open had shorted at 2 points. So that was replaced after all of this the starter is still clicking.
Anyone have any ideas?

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Even though you replaced the battery, I'd suggest you either load test the replacement battery or jump the car's battery (just to insure the engine is getting enough power to turn it over).

Is the clutch switch operating properly?

Are you sure the replacement starter is good?


humfrz

[dewittk]

Battery has been load tested also new starter was bench tested all are good I am pulling the transmission again to determine if everything was installed correctly. From the starter hole and viewing plate it looks like it is. Just gonna make sure.

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[humfrz]

Before you rip it apart, are you sure this part is working properly?

As posted by @churchx


"My guess: you may have adjusted clutch pedal travel to your new clutch .. but have your also adjusted clutch press sensor? Don't know how it should work with normal-key cars, but on ones with smart start with button one needs to have clutch disengaged, and that sensor should do that. Maybe w/o adjusting car still thinks that clutch is not fully disengaged?"


humfrz

[dewittk]

This is a keyless push to start. The car is recognizing that clutch is depress via the symbol for the key on the dash going steady green when clutch is depressed. And click if it didn't it wouldn't click because it wouldn't attempt to start.

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[humfrz]

Originally Posted by dewittk

This is a keyless push to start. The car is recognizing that clutch is depress via the symbol for the key on the dash going steady green when clutch is depressed. And click if it didn't it wouldn't click because it wouldn't attempt to start.

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I'm gonna rattle the cages of a couple of old timers here, since this appears to have something to do with a basic electrical problem.

@Tcoat

@Ultramaroon

What are your thoughts, guys?


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by RZNT4R

When you have a car that starts and drives, and you do something on it, and once you're done it does not start and drive, always checks what you've done first before throwing parts at it.

with that said, the first and easiest step is to check for a forgotten ground wire. If you've got jumper cables just jump the battery negative terminal to the engine, see if it starts.

If it still clicks, confirm that the engine spins freely by rotating it a full turn with a ratchet on the crank bolt.

Starters are fundamentally simple devices: if the solenoid clicks, the motor should spin and drive the engine. If it's electrical needs are satisfied and what it's trying to turn isn't seized, it should crank, unless it can't interface with the flywheel. If the drive gear is hitting something before it's full stroke, be that an incorrectly installed something or the wrong something, that effectively stops the solenoid from snapping shut it's big high amp contact and engaging the actual drive motor.

This ^ Especially the bolded part since you changed the flywheel. There have been a couple of guys that installed them wrong and had the same symptoms.

[dewittk]

I dropped the tranny and re installed old flywheel even tho everything looked correct currently mounting everything up again.

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[dewittk]

Figured since I have tested everything else this would be a good place

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[Ultramaroon]

I don't have much to add beyond what @RZNT4R advises. You said it yourself. If you hear the click, it's not the clutch interlock.

Is it the click of the solenoid, or is it the click of a little relay?

It feels like we're not being given all the info. It was working before the transmission was dropped. Then mysteriously the starter is shot and a relay is shorted?

I'm not buying these conclusions just yet. Trigger the starter by jumping B1 and B2. You can buy a hand-held switch just for that purpose.