Would you guys trade Evo IX MR for BRZ?

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

I was talking about the Evo IV (4). The Evo IX is the only one with MIVEC which I have driven a few times.

The Evo X has MIVEC too.

Originally Posted by YukiHachiRoku

Wow, so many different replies in this thread! As I have driven a ton of wrx's and STis, but never any evo's or have even ever ridden in an evo, I guess I need to check them out one day to see for myself. Then can compare the two AWD rivals to the twins... heh

Exactly. Like I said in a previous post, despite being similar on paper, they are VERY different beasts behind the wheel, particularly when guiding the car through corners, having driven Evo IXs and Xs along with almost every update for the WRX and STI.

[Noble713]

Originally Posted by Bristecom

Hey, how does the turbo lag feel on the IV compared to an X. The IV has the smallest twin-scroll turbo mitsubishi has ever used on it. Does it pick up at 2-3k rpm or does it still feel a bit weak down low?

Definitely weak down low, even before the crankwalk. Decent boost builds around 3k, with the ZOMGFAST! level @ 4k-5k. I rarely take my car over 5k because I'm worried about the engine blowing up. It's been like this since two weeks after I bought it; the previous owner had the Blitz DSBC set at 80% over stock boost on a stock Evo IV ECU and engine. I've been doing damage control ever since. My new engine, hopefully installed within the month, has an Evo VI turbo and with proper tuning (my 1st mod was a USDM Evo VIII ECU) should see 350whp. Here in Okinawa I spend most of my time in urban commuter traffic though, which is why I eventually want a nice low-end torque 2.3L build.

Also, I'm worried I may have recently developed crankwalk on my Eclipse. It's been making a knocking sound/feeling especially when I set off.

If your engine sounds like an impact gun but with a deeper note, especially after wailing on it and then backing down to idle.....pretty good chance it's crankwalk. Time for a 4G64 build! The good news is that the 4G63 is practically indestructible so you can take your time. My engine has been screwed up for 10 months, and I've done some hard driving in that time, including a few late-night hill climbs/time attack runs at full boost practically the whole way. The car still functions....somehow.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by DeeezNuuuts83

The Evo X has MIVEC too.

I meant of the 4G63's. The first Evo that was sold in the US was the Evo VIII so I have never driven a IV.

[Bristecom]

Originally Posted by Noble713

Definitely weak down low, even before the crankwalk. Decent boost builds around 3k, with the ZOMGFAST! level @ 4k-5k. I rarely take my car over 5k because I'm worried about the engine blowing up. It's been like this since two weeks after I bought it; the previous owner had the Blitz DSBC set at 80% over stock boost on a stock Evo IV ECU and engine. I've been doing damage control ever since. My new engine, hopefully installed within the month, has an Evo VI turbo and with proper tuning (my 1st mod was a USDM Evo VIII ECU) should see 350whp. Here in Okinawa I spend most of my time in urban commuter traffic though, which is why I eventually want a nice low-end torque 2.3L build.



If your engine sounds like an impact gun but with a deeper note, especially after wailing on it and then backing down to idle.....pretty good chance it's crankwalk. Time for a 4G64 build! The good news is that the 4G63 is practically indestructible so you can take your time. My engine has been screwed up for 10 months, and I've done some hard driving in that time, including a few late-night hill climbs/time attack runs at full boost practically the whole way. The car still functions....somehow.

Yeah, they are troopers. The previous owner of mine wrecked it and I found a welded hole in the back of the head. The accessory belts and pulleys broke and the engine overheated so it was resurfaced, the turbo blew and filled it with oil, and I've replaced the clutch and transmission but the engine itself has always come back running strong. I have never had an issue with this car that was without warning either. It always let me continue to drive it until the signs became so bad, I was forced to take it in. So they are durable. If I remember correctly, Mitsubishi only ever had 1 engine failure in the top rally class with Tommi Makinen.

But yeah, I'm still not sure if it is crankwalk or not. It hasn't been too bad so far. Sometimes I drive it and don't notice it at all. But yeah, it does seem most noticeable after driving hard for a bit and then setting off from a start. I have noticed a slight drop of power twice though. But I would like to retire it to a backup duty/snow duty/project car and make the FR-S my daily driver.

[switchlanez]

Don't trade it in. Go to a dealership and get a quote for trade-in. Go to CARMAX and get an appraisal. Post it for sale asking for more than your appraisals. Then sit on it for a few months til you get an awesome offer. Then ask yourself the question: Is it worth keeping over the BRZ at that price?

When the BRZ STI comes along, repeat process.

[ngabdala]

Hell no. Your MR is raw, evil, and the best Evo generation out there. Plus it's the last year the bulletproof engine was put in the evos.

If you decide to sell it. Sell it on the private market. I'm assuming from what you wrote that yours is stock. If it's never been in an accident you can expect to get $25k in cash from a buyer.

Originally Posted by DOMOAE92

Quick question: Would you guys trade your Evo IX MR bone stock with 30k miles for a FRS/BRZ?

Quick answers please.

[DOMOAE92]

Originally Posted by ngabdala

Hell no. Your MR is raw, evil, and the best Evo generation out there. Plus it's the last year the bulletproof engine was put in the evos.

If you decide to sell it. Sell it on the private market. I'm assuming from what you wrote that yours is stock. If it's never been in an accident you can expect to get $25k in cash from a buyer.

Well thanks FT86 community for making me realize that I should keep this one in the stable. As for getting into an FRS/BRZ. Maybe in a couple of years, I'll get a STI BRZ or a TRD FRS.

I guess it's been awhile since I've done some spirited driving in my Evo, and forgot the rawness of the car. Did some driving yesterday, and it felt good. Maybe I just lost that lovin' feeling, thank god it's not gone! gone! gone! (Top Gun)

[Razz]

The EVO and BRZ are two different type of cars. Unless you track it it won't make a difference which you have.

On the track the EVO is like a Bull in a china shop. You can plow your way through a corner. I see it all the time at the track. Bad drivers overshoot corners, all they have to due is jerk the wheel and AWD does the rest. You should see they way they hop.


RWD flows through the corner and will be faster if it has the same power output.

[DeeezNuuuts83]

Originally Posted by Razz

On the track the EVO is like a Bull in a china shop. You can plow your way through a corner. I see it all the time at the track. Bad drivers overshoot corners, all they have to due is jerk the wheel and AWD does the rest. You should see they way they hop.

But as you said, that's with a bad driver. Good drivers can do it more smoothly, which I have experienced on autocross courses with stock-ish and fully modded Evos.

Plus it's not like RWD cars are only driven by good drivers either. I rode with an M3 (E90 sedan) owner who plowed right through the outer cone barrier of one corner that should've been easy to do.

Originally Posted by Razz

RWD flows through the corner and will be faster if it has the same power output.

Faster... through the corner, at entry, at exit, or through the entire course?

[bestwheelbase]

Yes. The Evo does little for me.

[07stealth350z]

Originally Posted by DOMOAE92

Quick question: Would you guys trade your Evo IX MR bone stock with 30k miles for a FRS/BRZ?

Quick answers please.

Im in a similar boat as you. I plan on trading my bone stock 2007 350Z for an FR-S/BRZ. I drive the Z daily, and the gas mileage BLOWS for a DD. Not to mention the insurance is pretty high for it too, I hear the Evo is even worse to insure. The FR-S doesn't feel painfully slower, but the handling is superb as well as the ride quality. Z is a little too stiff, and having driven it for 5 years, the ride gets old. lol. Seems only right to trade for an FR-S because I feel that it is better in every way except brute power and speed. I don't think I will miss it too much. Power isn't everything if the car is very light. Soon as I find a white one, it's a done deal. Im pretty excited. My Z is payed off, and Im only getting offered $14k-$16k on trade, so there is a little food for thought. Same mileage as your Evo, but Im sure the Evo is worth a little more.

[BugeyedWagon]

I traded my 09 STI in on the BRZ and have not had any regrets. I never AutoX or tracked the STi and used it as a 90 mile/day DD. So with that, I never really utilized the STI's features to fully enjoy them. If I did AutoX or track the STI regualarly, I might have a different opinion. That all said, I think the BRZ is just such an enjoyable driving experience.

My one knock would be the lack of acceleration "feel", but all things can be improved.

[Thongpocket]

Originally Posted by pithy_logorrhea

I sold my 07 STi for a BRZ....

Me too. BRZ is a much better daily driver and actually more fun. Only downside is not smoking mustangs when they run up on me on the freeway.

[Zadkiel]

It depends on what you want out of the car. If you plan on modding it a lot, stick with the Evo so long as it isn't your DD. THe main reason I'm getting a BRZ is that I sold my 240SX to get my house and the Nissan Versa. Keep in mind this was when gas was skyrocketing in 2008-2009. I miss that car because the Versa has 0 personality.