TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by PulsarBeeerz

They also are said to of made some suspension geometry changes. Lack of power wasn't the only reason it was slow off the line. All the factory anti-squat of the previous models makes getting off the line efficiently challenging. There's also the 30+lb/ft of TQ that keeps getting left out the conversation for some reason...

It isn't any suspension geometry change either... Like with the tires, for this car the effect is going to be minor. IMO a much bigger issue with it inherently having trouble getting off the line than tires or rear geometry is the 55F/45R weight distribution, but that's most likely unchanged.

Torque is fine as a means to make power. But yeah, there's more of it and there's no real dip any more. But again, not enough to account for a 1 second improvement in acceleration to 60. IMO it's gotta be either no 2-3 shift required, or it's the improvement of the AT model due to a much more performance-oriented automatic trans. Or it's not really 1-s quicker to 60... We shall see!

[weederr33]

I've decided I will purchase the new GR86 once it's released and I can see what kind of options and aftermarket parts come about.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I've decided I will purchase the new GR86 once it's released and I can see what kind of options and aftermarket parts come about.

I've decided to test drive it and compare against my FRS in person at least.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Spuds

I've decided to test drive it and compare against my FRS in person at least.

Oh for sure I will test drive one when they come out. But I'll wait to purchase till there's a decent aftermarket.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by weederr33

Oh for sure I will test drive one when they come out. But I'll wait to purchase till there's a decent aftermarket.

Ah, didn't read that completely lol.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by RetroRacer

Wasn’t intended for anyone in particular. Simply speaking my mind. I felt that paying for a Hakone for the same price as a PP Brz wasn’t worth it to me PERSONALLY.

Every post about the new gen I’ve seen of yours you keep commenting “how bad it “looks” and you hate it.

The front fenders you “hate” are completely functional. The side skirts you “hate” are easily changed.

You sound like an ex GF who can’t except the fact that people have moved on.
The new car has a better motor with improved HP and Torque curve, and a 50% more rigid chassis.
You KNOW that this car will be a far better performer than your car, but simply because it doesn’t “look” good to you, you bash it.

Toyota/Subaru both should be applauded that they made this car at all in 2021-22, and especially with improvements in today’s SUV, EV market.

Hakone was only made for ONE year, the fact that you say just as many of them are being tracked/raced over the multiple years these cars were offered is nonsense. These are DRIVERS cars, yes more than 50% of them don’t track them, but they are built for DRIVERS.

My Girlfriend Christine has a 2019 PP BRZ and I absolutely love driving her car, but the new car is most definitely a step up. We get it, you always talk about how the reveal was “unexciting” blah blah. Only to people like you who prefer “looks” over performance.

I’m very proud of the improvements they made on the motor and chassis. There is no doubt this will be a better DRIVERS car.

Funny how you have the word Racecar in your sig, as you never RACE your car.

Again you don’t show any appreciation that a new gen even exists, especially when it’s going to be a much better performing car.
You knock “functional” vents and “looks” while ignoring the MANY improvements.

I love the Hakone green color, always have, I was simply stating for the same price the PP BRZ was more worth the same $ TO ME.

But again, as someone who doesn’t truly “drive” their car, you wouldn’t understand.

I love both generations of the twins immensely, but unlike yourself I truly welcome and appreciate the new car, and don’t knock the “looks” over the far better performance gains , or the fact they are making a 2nd Gen at all.

The fact these cars are coming out at all should be applauded, not knocked.
You may not “race” your car, but for those of us that do, we can appreciate the chassis/ motor improvements.

i must have missed it. where was the official dyno sheet posted? i saw the speculation based on a gauge cluster image, but i don't recall seeing that being verified anywhere

[beltax90]

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[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Tires are not really holding this car back as far as 0-60 goes. And we already know what 215/40-18 Michelin PS4 tires do for BRZ acceleration vs. 215/45-17 Primacies:
2017 BRZ: 0-60 in 6.2 seconds and 1/4-mile in 14.8 at 95mph on Primacies.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...l-test-review/
2018 BRZ tS: 0-60 in 6.3 seconds and 1/4-mile in 14.9 at 94mph on PS4s
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-drive-review/

And it ain't the tires... Agree that the +23hp isn't nearly enough to account for 1 second quicker to 60, so if it really *is* 1 second quicker it's gotta be one less shift.

Well, I know we are talking about 0-60 versus 0-62 in the above articles and below, but apparently the last gen did 0-60 mph in 6.2 seconds and 60-62 mph in 1.2 seconds for a total of 7.4 seconds. If the new 0-62 time is 6.3 seconds then the 0-60 time might be 5.1 seconds like Tcoat said, or not like Tcoat said.

Kinda odd the Ts had a lower time, right?

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/34997138.html

[RetroRacer]

Originally Posted by soundman98

i must have missed it. where was the official dyno sheet posted? i saw the speculation based on a gauge cluster image, but i don't recall seeing that being verified anywhere

This video explains the torque curve differences at around the 3:45-5:00 mark.

There are multiple videos when the new BRZ launched of the test driver mentioning the improved midrange torque and HP gains while driving the media around also on YouTube.

The 2022 Subaru BRZ features a new 2.4-liter naturally aspirated boxer four-cylinder engine with 228 hp and 184 lb-ft of torque, which is up 23 hp and 28 lb-ft from the latest models of the previous BRZ/86

While the old BRZ/86 made their peak torque at 6400 rpm, the new one reaches its 184 lb-ft max at 3700 rpm which is midway through the powerband where you want it instead of the end of the rpm range where it peaks on the Gen 1 cars.

The new Toyota GR86 is said to have around 4 more HP (around 232)

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by RetroRacer

Wasn’t intended for anyone in particular. Simply speaking my mind. I felt that paying for a Hakone for the same price as a PP Brz wasn’t worth it to me PERSONALLY.

Every post about the new gen I’ve seen of yours you keep commenting “how bad it “looks” and you hate it.

The front fenders you “hate” are completely functional. The side skirts you “hate” are easily changed.

You sound like an ex GF who can’t except the fact that people have moved on.
The new car has a better motor with improved HP and Torque curve, and a 50% more rigid chassis.
You KNOW that this car will be a far better performer than your car, but simply because it doesn’t “look” good to you, you bash it.

Toyota/Subaru both should be applauded that they made this car at all in 2021-22, and especially with improvements in today’s SUV, EV market.

Hakone was only made for ONE year, the fact that you say just as many of them are being tracked/raced over the multiple years these cars were offered is nonsense. These are DRIVERS cars, yes more than 50% of them don’t track them, but they are built for DRIVERS.

My Girlfriend Christine has a 2019 PP BRZ and I absolutely love driving her car, but the new car is most definitely a step up. We get it, you always talk about how the reveal was “unexciting” blah blah. Only to people like you who prefer “looks” over performance.

I’m very proud of the improvements they made on the motor and chassis. There is no doubt this will be a better DRIVERS car.

Funny how you have the word Racecar in your sig, as you never RACE your car.

Again you don’t show any appreciation that a new gen even exists, especially when it’s going to be a much better performing car.
You knock “functional” vents and “looks” while ignoring the MANY improvements.

I love the Hakone green color, always have, I was simply stating for the same price the PP BRZ was more worth the same $ TO ME.

But again, as someone who doesn’t truly “drive” their car, you wouldn’t understand.

I love both generations of the twins immensely, but unlike yourself I truly welcome and appreciate the new car, and don’t knock the “looks” over the far better performance gains , or the fact they are making a 2nd Gen at all.

The fact these cars are coming out at all should be applauded, not knocked.
You may not “race” your car, but for those of us that do, we can appreciate the chassis/ motor improvements.

Let's be honest here. The 2nd generation BRZ is real ugly, GR86 though is better, but not better than gen 1/1.5. Also, I think you need to take a step back and realize that we literally only have numbers right now and some videos/magazines talking about the new car; they eat up the numbers, that's great, but I'm not really sure how you can claim it will be a better driver's car simply because of numbers, that's a warm ass bench you're sitting on there.

I think we need regular people in these things driving them properly before we can claim whether or not they will in fact be better, but I don't think you're understanding that simple message.

You need to chill lol.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Let's be honest here. The 2nd generation BRZ is real ugly, GR86 though is better, but not better than gen 1/1.5. Also, I think you need to take a step back and realize that we literally only have numbers right now and some videos/magazines talking about the new car; they eat up the numbers, that's great, but I'm not really sure how you can claim it will be a better driver's car simply because of numbers, that's a warm ass bench you're sitting on there.

I think we need regular people in these things driving them properly before we can claim whether or not they will in fact be better, but I don't think you're understanding that simple message.

You need to chill lol.

wtf you talking about boi? you have a sea tee are you clearly know nothing about this platform or the greatness that is the second gen

if you're not hear to bask in the glory and honour the the 2nd gen, you shouldn't even be reading this!

[gymratter]

AU press release. same rehash stuff, but it does state sales for the 1st gen.

https://toyota.pressroom.com.au/pres...navSectionID=2

Its remarkable popularity in Australia has resulted in 20,800 sales since launch, which equates to around 10 per cent of the global tally that now exceeds 200,000 cars.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by soundman98

wtf you talking about boi? you have a sea tee are you clearly know nothing about this platform or the greatness that is the second gen

if you're not hear to bask in the glory and honour the the 2nd gen, you shouldn't even be reading this!

U r rite, I only know the gloriousness of 5x120 20x8.5 +60, K20C1 330 crank, 5dr, edges like knives, fun wheel drive.

Glorious Honduh.

[RetroRacer]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Let's be honest here. The 2nd generation BRZ is real ugly, GR86 though is better, but not better than gen 1/1.5. Also, I think you need to take a step back and realize that we literally only have numbers right now and some videos/magazines talking about the new car; they eat up the numbers, that's great, but I'm not really sure how you can claim it will be a better driver's car simply because of numbers, that's a warm ass bench you're sitting on there.

I think we need regular people in these things driving them properly before we can claim whether or not they will in fact be better, but I don't think you're understanding that simple message.

You need to chill lol.

I’m completely calm, simply stating facts. It seems to me you are the one who is worked up for no reason.

I know multiple people who were at the press launch here, and have been in the car and felt the improved motor and chassis on the track.

It’s the SAME chassis but with 50% more torsional rigidity and a bump up in HP and Torque with more midrange power, it’s not rocket science to see how it performs better.

The Japanese videos of racers driving both of the new twins on track also stated the same things, and how much improved the new car is.

Again you guys keep bringing up “looks” whereas I was simply talking performance updates.

I’ve only stated accurate facts about the HP, Torque numbers and chassis improvements. Again do your research and you’ll see the racers who have driven the new cars on the track in Japan can most definitely notice an improvement over the previous models.

Keep bashing the new cars if you desire, that’s your choice. But myself and many others are certainly looking forward to them arriving at the end of this year.

We will not be “blown away” by any means of the performance of these cars. But I certainly expect that they most definitely will be better than the cars they replace.