Tesla "Full Self Driving" not capable of autonomous driving

[Irace86.2.0]

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Capt Spaulding

Your final question is an interesting one. If I can paraphrase it, "can you change the world and remain a decent, if not perfect, human being?" The answer is, I think yes. Run through the list of Nobel Prize winners. Focus on the Peace prize. Who among those winners made significant contributions to the betterment of society and the human condition? Which of them are renowned for being despicable human beings?

You won't have heard of many of them, but I suspects that in not because they didn't make great differences, or because they didn't engage in extreme self-promotion? I believe the difference is humility.

One of my favorite comparisons is Robert Oppenheimer and Edward Teller. Clearly, both changed the world, although arguably not for the better. Oppenheimer was, by every account I've read NOT the flaming asshole that Teller was. Why? I think it was because Oppenheimer was self-aware and self critical. Teller was, from what I can tell, none-of-the-above."

That, I think is the key. It is something that I think is incompatible with the simple minded and single minded pursuit of personal gain goal at all costs.

Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, William Brennan, Harry Blackmun, Thurgood Marshall. All political figures, to be sure, but I suggest that each changed the world for the better. None that I know of would inspire a list of pejoratives remotely comparable to Musk (and Jobs and Trump). Were they perfect? Of course not. But what you seem to be suggesting is that make the world a better place you have to be despicable. Is that what you mean? Can a humble, caring, even occasionally kind, person make a positive difference. I think they can.

You realize, don't you, that we are locked in a circular discussion? I suspect we have plowed all the ground there is to plow - several times. So, I'll leave you the last word. What I will say is something I truly believe. Musk displays all of the pejorative attributes I have attributed to him, and probably many more. I categorically reject the idea that you have to be a jerk to contribute to the betterment of humanity. Some may think so, but I do and will continue to disagree.

https://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/13/here...ners-ever.html

I remember when Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize barely into his presidency on his platform of hope and unity, and I voted for him twice, so I don't have a grudge, but he bombed the shit out the Middle East, which fundamentally is contrary to the prize unless someone accepts that the ends justify the means. Something about someone either dying a hero or living long enough to see themself become the villain. It is hard to be disruptive without carrying some pejoratives, at least from your critics, which is my point. Even the people you listed have critics and have controversies that muddle their character, and while some might be exceptional idealists, Musk is neither a saint or evil incarnate, the latter you seem to be suggesting.

If someone said what would be the characteristics that would lead to the failure of a company, I'm sure the list of pejoratives you described would be satisfactory, and yet Musk has been involved in the creation of companies, or has grown companies, into multimillion dollar, if not billion dollar companies, many of which are not just successful, but disruptive, and I would say, in a way that is positive for humanity and not just something that lines Musk's pockets: Zip2, X.com/Paypal, SpaceX, Tesla, Starlink, Solar City, Boring Company, Neuralink and OpenAI. We will have to see what ultimately happens with Twitter. Maybe it'll fail because he will truly be the Chief Twit, or maybe his work culture will not be adaptable to Twitter's work culture. Again, we will have to see.

Like Rockefeller's and Gates philanthropy, I'm sure Musk's will be criticized for tax evasion or inserting microchips into people using vaccines. Die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

https://fortune.com/2022/12/12/elon-...ery-until-now/

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/m...ar-2023-02-15/

[Irace86.2.0]

Lexus builds a better yoke steering wheel? The caveat Jason missed is FSD and Autopilot will eliminate a lot of the need to touch the steering wheel, and I like the idea of a traditional steering rack.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Lexus builds a better yoke steering wheel? The caveat Jason missed is FSD and Autopilot will eliminate a lot of the need to touch the steering wheel, and I like the idea of a traditional steering rack

The fly-by-wire doesn't bother me. I'd be OK with it particularly with the redundancy built in. I don't see the need to switch to a yoke though. If it's fly by wire I would just as soon have a joystick controller (left/right only, or maybe a "fighter" setup where the yoke on the right and the throttle on the left) although I would be able to drive with any of the 3.

To his point, I'm one of those people that has their mouse sent to ludicrous speed. I can move move my pointer across three 4k monitors with just a slight movement of my wrist.