TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[nikitopo]

@Islindur : New model will be in worse position in Europe mainly cause of the displacement increase. Let's wait to see how it'll come here, because there is no official communication yet. They said that GR86 will come, but no information on specs or homologation.

[Kronk]

Originally Posted by Islindur

Assuming the new model wont get more expensive, which is highly unlikely since its newer tech, more aluminium, more body work with those air ducts etc, more electronics, it would already go up from 29k to 34k due to displacement tax alone (3->18.6%). So add to that a most likely "new model" price increase at it becomes easily 35-36k base, at least here in PL. Add some options like paint or bigger wheels/nicer interior package and it can easily jump to ~38-40k teritorry. And that is way 2much for a low performance car in my opinion these days. And since I have tunned 86 already, the increase in performance would be really low for me. So if it turns out to be in that price range I'm out.
Unless they wanna bite a bullet and take some of the tax costs on themselfs and lower the starting price. But even the GR Yaris is 36k Euro with Track Pack, and that is an option everyone gets. And its still only 1.6l so no displacement tax issues here and the salesaman told me he dont expect 86 to be less expensive. I heared ITA also has a huge dispalcement tax (I talked to a guy who got himself a Supra with 2.0 coz tax and price difference on 3.0 was so big), so not looking too bright for us

True, here in Italy we have dramatic taxes. Yaris GR here is 41900 € starting price and I don't know about a track pack.
But I think Yaris got very advanced solutions, while gr86 comes with standard solutions.

Here we pay dramatic insurances too, often based on engine cc and hp. Same for another tax that I don't know the English name, but for gr86 I'd pay 653€ based on 173 kw. And Again a super tax of 20€ for each kw over 185kw (no comment, but not a problem with gr86)

We will see, but if here we'll go over the miata full optional price (35k), I think i'll go with miata, less starting price, less tax for cc engine and kw.
Sad but true.

[Chronogps]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

@Islindur : New model will be in worse position in Europe mainly cause of the displacement increase.

For sure. In some countries like France co2 emissions will seriously increase the price. For example, 191 grs of co2 => 10 000 € of additionnal taxes.

[TheDonEffect]

Well for comparison sake, the Supra 2.0 is 46k in UK money, vs 43k in US money. Cars are typically cheaper here.

And I'm sure they realize they can't do a major price hike of any sort, a nominal one sure, but they can't jump a class especially with the new Z and now the Type R out in the 35k mark.

This car generally competes against the GTI in pricing, I expect it to stay that way. Yeah, they have this new tech and what not, but they also are stretching R&D costs since it's just an update platform. Also, screens cost less to produce than dials and knobs today.

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Islindur

Assuming the new model wont get more expensive, which is highly unlikely since its newer tech, more aluminium, more body work with those air ducts etc, more electronics, it would already go up from 29k to 34k due to displacement tax alone (3->18.6%). So add to that a most likely "new model" price increase at it becomes easily 35-36k base, at least here in PL. Add some options like paint or bigger wheels/nicer interior package and it can easily jump to ~38-40k teritorry. And that is way 2much for a low performance car in my opinion these days. And since I have tunned 86 already, the increase in performance would be really low for me. So if it turns out to be in that price range I'm out.
Unless they wanna bite a bullet and take some of the tax costs on themselfs and lower the starting price. But even the GR Yaris is 36k Euro with Track Pack, and that is an option everyone gets. And its still only 1.6l so no displacement tax issues here and the salesaman told me he dont expect 86 to be less expensive. I heared ITA also has a huge dispalcement tax (I talked to a guy who got himself a Supra with 2.0 coz tax and price difference on 3.0 was so big), so not looking too bright for us

I assume you can't buy it in another country a bit cheaper, then drive it across and register it?

[Islindur]

Originally Posted by Blighty

I assume you can't buy it in another country a bit cheaper, then drive it across and register it?

Probably doable but I'm not 100% sure how it works. And I dont expect it to be much cheaper to be worth the effort.

Originally Posted by TheDonEffect

Well for comparison sake, the Supra 2.0 is 46k in UK money, vs 43k in US money. Cars are typically cheaper here.

And I'm sure they realize they can't do a major price hike of any sort, a nominal one sure, but they can't jump a class especially with the new Z and now the Type R out in the 35k mark.

This car generally competes against the GTI in pricing, I expect it to stay that way. Yeah, they have this new tech and what not, but they also are stretching R&D costs since it's just an update platform. Also, screens cost less to produce than dials and knobs today.

USA is different and with 400Z on the horizon You are right, they cant go too crazy on the price. And its supposed to stay around the same pricing. Its the displacement tax that kills it now around here. BTW Golf GTI starts here at ~33k Euro with 0 options, Civic Type R is 34k Euro base. The 2.0 Supra is 46k Euro vs 70k for a 3.0 (its like 2.0 was priced at 35k in USA) so the difference is huge between those 2.
We shall see the official info (lets see the EU spec pwoer level with GPF filters in the exhaust) and pricing. But like I said, if it goes north of 35k I'm def out.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Blighty

I assume you can't buy it in another country a bit cheaper, then drive it across and register it?

Originally Posted by Islindur

Probably doable but I'm not 100% sure how it works. And I dont expect it to be much cheaper to be worth the effort.

You have to pay the difference during the registration in your home country. You won't gain much if any at all.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

You have to pay the difference during the registration in your home country. You won't gain much if any at all.

And probably import fees, duty and inspection/certification costs?

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And probably import fees, duty and inspection/certification costs?

Yes. Those included

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

Yes. Those included

So like the guys that think they can get a cheaper car here by bringing it up from the US. In the end it costs more than if you just bought it domestic.

[Transport3r]

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[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

So like the guys that think they can get a cheaper car here by bringing it up from the US. In the end it costs more than if you just bought it domestic.

Well.... Its not quite the same because of the huge amounts of money involved and at what point it is charged.

The tax on purchasing a 2.4 liter is up around 140% of the vehicles price in some eu countries.

Annual registration taxes are not so massive.

But my assumption is that there are some other mechanisms in law that prevent you from circumventing those massive taxes (which are country specific, not necessarily all of EU).

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

At first I thought it was bad photography, but every shot of that red car shows it as having a very odd slightly de-saturated orange-pinkish hue. I even tried cycling through my calibrated display's different colour modes, it made no difference. What an odd colour.

It just looks like Ablaze...just when its not super shiny and off the showroom floor.....

[Sport-Tech]

The new 911 GT3 has dropped its front MacPherson struts for double wishbones in its quest for handling perfection, and it seems to have worked. Pity the twins didn't do the same....