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Old 04-04-2017, 01:44 AM   #99
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Thanks @CSG Mike for the update. Michael and Gene certainly tell different stories and I wish I could tell you one was more honest than the other, but like you I was just the messenger, too. It looks like the plot thickens...
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Thanks @CSG Mike for the update. Michael and Gene certainly tell different stories and I wish I could tell you one was more honest than the other, but like you I was just the messenger, too. It looks like the plot thickens...
Who cares really. If you buy anything from either of those two con artists then it's your own fault. Fool me twice....

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Thank you CSG Mike for posting my FB post here. I registered yesterday and was approved to post until today.

A couple of things I'd like to add... RT700 is now available in 24 countries. All of the EuroZone, Singapore/Malaysia, Australia, Trinidad/Tobago, Canada, Hong Kong. I don't believe RS683 is available outside of the USA.

As to the similarities of the labels/bottles, etc. That is because I was the guy that wrote all the copy, directed all the graphics design and was completely and the only one responsible to sourcing and managing all the production and packaging. Most of the copy is mandated by DOT to be compliant and anything is my personal writing style. When I started Torque I would have been silly to rewrite the label copy to somehow not read the same. For that matter you will see some of the copy is even the same for other brake fluids. As I stated, to be DOT compliant much is mandated.

The issues between Gene and myself (IMHO) should stay between just the two of us. Just like it does no one any good to air their dirty laundry in a divorce the same applies to the failure of a business partnership. There will also be (at least) 2 sides to any story and to (IMHO) come to any sort of conclusion or opinion based on one side is, at best, ill informed.

I have been at this for a long time and I have no plans to get out of it. I love cars (even the electric ones. Have you driven the BMW i3? That is really a cool car!) I love racing and motorsports. My father (no longer with us) built and raced 3/4 midgets before I was born and my uncle had a automotive machine shop into his 80's. We never watched any stick/ball sports but we always watched any type of racing that was available on TV. I once had the opportunity to meet and chat with Bobby Rahal. I was telling him about going to a movie theater in Downtown St. Paul, MN to watch the Indy 500 on closed circuit TV. Bobby remembered the race and said that was in 1964.

I think that about covers it for what I will say publicly. Go ahead and flame me or whatever you want to do. It will not change anything. There's a lot of people worldwide that love RT700 and don't want to use anything else. And I continue to get international inquires about once every couple of weeks. And that's with out me doing any type of marketing to anyone outside the USA. RT700 has been a part of several championships both pro and amatur in both cars and motorcycles in the past few years. RT700 is a great brake fluid and that will not change.

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Thank you CSG Mike for posting my FB post here. I registered yesterday and was approved to post until today.

A couple of things I'd like to add... RT700 is now available in 24 countries. All of the EuroZone, Singapore/Malaysia, Australia, Trinidad/Tobago, Canada, Hong Kong. I don't believe RS683 is available outside of the USA.

As to the similarities of the labels/bottles, etc. That is because I was the guy that wrote all the copy, directed all the graphics design and was completely and the only one responsible to sourcing and managing all the production and packaging. Most of the copy is mandated by DOT to be compliant and anything is my personal writing style. When I started Torque I would have been silly to rewrite the label copy to somehow not read the same. For that matter you will see some of the copy is even the same for other brake fluids. As I stated, to be DOT compliant much is mandated.

The issues between Gene and myself (IMHO) should stay between just the two of us. Just like it does no one any good to air their dirty laundry in a divorce the same applies to the failure of a business partnership. There will also be (at least) 2 sides to any story and to (IMHO) come to any sort of conclusion or opinion based on one side is, at best, ill informed.

I have been at this for a long time and I have no plans to get out of it. I love cars (even the electric ones. Have you driven the BMW i3? That is really a cool car!) I love racing and motorsports. My father (no longer with us) built and raced 3/4 midgets before I was born and my uncle had a automotive machine shop into his 80's. We never watched any stick/ball sports but we always watched any type of racing that was available on TV. I once had the opportunity to meet and chat with Bobby Rahal. I was telling him about going to a movie theater in Downtown St. Paul, MN to watch the Indy 500 on closed circuit TV. Bobby remembered the race and said that was in 1964.

I think that about covers it for what I will say publicly. Go ahead and flame me or whatever you want to do. It will not change anything. There's a lot of people worldwide that love RT700 and don't want to use anything else. And I continue to get international inquires about once every couple of weeks. And that's with out me doing any type of marketing to anyone outside the USA. RT700 has been a part of several championships both pro and amatur in both cars and motorcycles in the past few years. RT700 is a great brake fluid and that will not change.

Thank you for reading.

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P.S. if anyone would like to speak to me directly, I'm completely open/available for such. In fact I welcome it. PM me for a phone #
Talk is cheap. You haven't answered my email's, voice-mail, texts, fb pm's in over a year. How about you ship people's orders?
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Old 04-05-2017, 07:23 AM   #103
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Talk is cheap. You haven't answered my email's, voice-mail, texts, fb pm's in over a year. How about you ship people's orders?


Well said. He only gave a personal life story for people to feel sympathy for him.
Didn't acknowledge all the posts about undelivered products.
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My order from 2015 has arrived!

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Old 05-17-2023, 02:37 PM   #105
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Old 05-17-2023, 05:20 PM   #106
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Does the shipping label have a tracking number to see when it shipped? I am interested to know if it was lost in shipping or if the just didn't send it for eight years.
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Does the shipping label have a tracking number to see when it shipped? I am interested to know if it was lost in shipping or if the just didn't send it for eight years.
Torque is back in business so I emailed him and asked for my order.

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Well damn. I just read through this thread.....wow.....8 year order fulfillment. Wow.
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Is this fluid still the same. Will be needing a brake flush soonish

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Is this fluid still the same. Will be needing a brake flush soonish
Even if it still is same, they damaged their reputation with most of customers beyond anything acceptable. Far beyond to consider these even if they after all these years changed and actually do ship out ordered ware.
There are several other high quality racing brake fluids, eg. Project Mu Gfour-355, Castrol SRF, Endless RF650, Brembo HTC 64T that you won't risk in lottery of loosing money and not receiving anything.
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Just throw this out there again:
I've never had any issues at the track just running name-brand DOT4 or DOT5.1 from local parts store. In fact I've found that I have to bleed or flush "racier" fluids sooner, like after 1 or 2 days of track usage, where parts store stuff lasts me ~6 track days or usually half the year!
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Just throw this out there again:
I've never had any issues at the track just running name-brand DOT4 or DOT5.1 from local parts store. In fact I've found that I have to bleed or flush "racier" fluids sooner, like after 1 or 2 days of track usage, where parts store stuff lasts me ~6 track days or usually half the year!
I recently spoke to the AP Racing distributor in Aus regarding their super duper Radi-CAL R4 Brake Fluid. I was told that it gets flushed after every race. I was told that the higher the performance of a brake fluid the more hygroscopic it becomes. After telling him I wanted to track my road car he recommended AP Racing 5.1.
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