2024 model year changes? If any?

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by dhutty

Good question - clutch by-wire sounds like it would feel pretty weird to me. I'll keep an open mind, but am hoping they don't do that, or forgo eyesight on sticks.

yeah, i just don't know how they can do automatic emergency braking without some method of automatically 'pushing in' the clutch.

[dragoontwo]

Originally Posted by soundman98

yeah, i just don't know how they can do automatic emergency braking without some method of automatically 'pushing in' the clutch.

Could just use a small inline solenoid. It would just be one more thing to bleed.

[greengs]

Originally Posted by soundman98

yeah, i just don't know how they can do automatic emergency braking without some method of automatically 'pushing in' the clutch.

Honda has their full Honda Sensing suite on the Civic Si manual.

From What I've heard it just slams on the brakes and it will stall it. I guess better than crashing or at least minimizing the damage I guess.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by greengs

Honda has their full Honda Sensing suite on the Civic Si manual.

From What I've heard it just slams on the brakes and it will stall it. I guess better than crashing or at least minimizing the damage I guess.

Exactly. The brakes will have no problem stalling the engine. The engine will not suffer from a stall due to emergency braking. It's over very quickly, not a long term state like lugging the motor.

[Griever423]

Originally Posted by soundman98

yeah, i just don't know how they can do automatic emergency braking without some method of automatically 'pushing in' the clutch.

Had Honda Sense in my 2020 Civic Si which had all the features. Auto emergency brake. Adaptive cruise control. And the cruise control wouldn't disengage if you changed gears unless clutch was held in for a bit. It was such a great system.

[OldBiker]

I would be much happier if cars did not have any of these features... or a big "infotainment" screen to distract the driver. People should not drive if they need the car to tell them they are about to run into things! I guess I am much happier relying on my own geriatric eyesight... then again, all of these will soon turn into electric self-driving mobility pods, so perhaps my preferences are quite moot.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by OldBiker

I would be much happier if cars did not have any of these features... or a big "infotainment" screen to distract the driver. People should not drive if they need the car to tell them they are about to run into things! I guess I am much happier relying on my own geriatric eyesight... then again, all of these will soon turn into electric self-driving mobility pods, so perhaps my preferences are quite moot.

I would agree. However we were supposed to have the sslf-driving cars in 1970...

[OldBiker]

I believe the whole "self driving" experiment is doomed to failure, at least in the US. There are quite a few situations where a given vehicle cannot (without hindsight) avoid an accident... whether the cause is an unpredictable person, animal, traction issue, or just another vehicle. Given the litigious nature of our society, the default deep (very very deep) pocket will be the manufacturer... which will withdraw the feature after a few good legal shellackings. Now we were also promised flying cars... and self-driving auto-pilots should work fine, just as soon as we get anti-grav levitation down... Er, I mean UP.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by OldBiker

I would be much happier if cars did not have any of these features... or a big "infotainment" screen to distract the driver. People should not drive if they need the car to tell them they are about to run into things! I guess I am much happier relying on my own geriatric eyesight... then again, all of these will soon turn into electric self-driving mobility pods, so perhaps my preferences are quite moot.

I know I've shown multiple times I have different use cases, but the infotainment screen isn't a distraction for me.

I have multiple playlists setup on Spotify, when I get in the car it automatically connects and starts playing from where it left off. And then I use the steering wheel controls.

Pretty much the only time I take my eye off the wheel, is to adjust the HVAC. I don't really like the auto setting.

[DriveDriftDogfight86]

2024MY could be announced sometime this week. Both GR86 and BRZ announcements are already late compared to last year, and the 2024 vehicles should be heading to dealers in late Summer. I don't expect any changes, but some driver kneepads and wireless CarPlay would be nice.

[Yoshoobaroo]

2024 will be the year of the Toyota 1.6L Turbo, surely.

[Clipdat]

I heard they are going to put the GR Corolla engine in it.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by OldBiker

I believe the whole "self driving" experiment is doomed to failure, at least in the US. There are quite a few situations where a given vehicle cannot (without hindsight) avoid an accident... whether the cause is an unpredictable person, animal, traction issue, or just another vehicle. Given the litigious nature of our society, the default deep (very very deep) pocket will be the manufacturer... which will withdraw the feature after a few good legal shellackings. Now we were also promised flying cars... and self-driving auto-pilots should work fine, just as soon as we get anti-grav levitation down... Er, I mean UP.

Flying cars are more likely never to be a "thing", and if they are they will have to be autonomous in any quantity. It's not possible to design something that is equally good at being a car and a plane. You can design something that is better at one than the other, or bad at both, but not good (never mind exceptional) at either, at least not until we figure out antigravity.

As far as self-driving, it's already here and working relatively well. Maybe not full level self driving but GM Cruise is doing well in it's restricted areas.

(and before you start pulling up the accident links, yes I know they've reported 3 rear-end crashes resulting from the car responding to traffic ahead of it causing someone behind them to hit it.)

That said, I'm not a customer for that type of self-driving either. If I'm in a car I will have ultimate control.

I spent 200 miles this weekend driving a Cadillac LYRIQ, and about half of those miles was playing with SuperCruise. On it's mapped roads, including 2-lane traffic, it worked flawlessly. This include passing slower cars on a 4-lane highway, and recognizing situations where someone pulled in front of us, are made a quick turn. Honestly on the roads where it works it is some sort of black magic.

I was a nervous wreck mind you, at least on the 2 way traffic roads, but I never had an issue. Why? Because the system makes small corrections to keep centered and away from other traffic. Those corrections were unnerving since I wasn't the one doing them. Again, the system worked fine but it doesn't drive like me, so it takes some getting used to.

It also performed several slower car passes from the right lane in relatively heavy traffic. It changed lanes, moved around the slower car, then moved back multiple times while driving.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

2024 will be the year of the Toyota 1.6L Turbo, surely.

No no no. They are going to upgrade and retune the FA24 turbo give it 400 hp and stick in the BRZ.