FRS made top ten daily driver sports cars

[speedy racer]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...anntp#image=11

[Cole]

I see more supercars on that list than sports cars. Seems like the author is a bit of a dummy.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cole

I see more supercars on that list than sports cars. Seems like the author is a bit of a dummy.

Well technically speaking they are all "sports cars". They are top tier ones.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Cole

I see more supercars on that list than sports cars. Seems like the author is a bit of a dummy.

I don't think there are any "supercars" on that list. Good company to be in, though.

[8RZ]

We already knew this.

[Veloist]

Originally Posted by Cole

I see more supercars on that list than sports cars. Seems like the author is a bit of a dummy.

It's MSN Autos...what did you expect?

[PetrolioBenzina]

Which one of those is a "supercar"?

[Leonardo]

2 new cars, and one used car in my $$$$$$ Range. And I already own one. Plus I have owned an S2000.


"You can't go wrong with a 911" LOL! Thanks for that!

[Cole]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

I don't think there are any "supercars" on that list. Good company to be in, though.

GTR, R8, arguably the 911, AMG GT, Vantage

[dhuang]

When I drove the R8, I was surprised how refined it was compared to my time in a LP Gallardo. Despite sharing the same chassis and underpinnings, Audi somehow made it very DD-able. Granted, the Gallardo I drove was a LP570-4 Performante which is the hardcore version, but the R8 absorbed the bumps and felt plenty insulated.

Only issue I see are the massive blind spots where the side blades are, that should detract from the DD quality of the R8.

I have no complaints about the 86 -- I don't have any blind spots and it makes for a great DD.

[mrspindlelegs]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well technically speaking they are all "sports cars". They are top tier ones.

Depends on how you define the term "sports car". If we go by the strict definition used by the Sports Car Club of America, then only the Mazda MX-5 Miata and the Honda S2000 are sports cars.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ar-definition/

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mrspindlelegs

Depends on how you define the term "sports car". If we go by the strict definition used by the Sports Car Club of America, then only the Mazda MX-5 Miata and the Honda S2000 are sports cars.


http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...ar-definition/

I completely agree with this and have used that same article in many a debate! Unfortunately many others will not and consider "sports cars" to be something totally different so for the sake of defining them for the top ten list here I let it slide.


Oh and for the record.
Fixed roof + backseat = GT
The Twins (Triplets?) are GT cars not sports cars so they don't belong in that list either.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I completely agree with this and have used that same article in many a debate! Unfortunately many others will not and consider "sports cars" to be something totally different so for the sake of defining them for the top ten list here I let it slide.


Oh and for the record.
Fixed roof + backseat = GT
The Twins (Triplets?) are GT cars not sports cars so they don't belong in that list either.

I'd like to add this, Paul Frere defined sports car as "Any production car that, with minimal modification, can be used competitively in motorsports." Frere was a giant in motorsports by both introducing the science of driving (when it was generally thought to be an art) as well as one of the most accomplished auto journalists of all time.

I like this definition because most gearheads will hear it and know exactly what is intended. It's natural and makes sense. Also this definition gets to the root of the "sports" part of the argument.

Now of course "any car can be used in motorsports" and "what do you mean by "minimal" are the typical replies, but if a person asks then they should probably be dropped from the convo.

GT car has been defined as a car suitable for a Grand Turismo (or a Grand Tour.) which has a generally accepted definition of "traditional trip of Europe undertaken by mainly upper class European young men of sufficient means and rank (or those of more humble origin who could find a sponsor), as well as young women if they were also of sufficient means, and accompanied by a chaperon, such as other family members, when they had come of age (about the age of 21 years old)" Thanks Wikipedia.

Understandably, it can be questioned why I would use the Frere definition of sports car vs. the Wikipedia definition of GT. Reason is Frere competed in and wrote so prolifically about motorsports and motoring that much of his influence permeates all forms of the language and lexicon of motoring and sports car competition today.

In the case of the two definitions above, I'd definitely call all 86 variants, sports cars and not GTs.


This should perhaps be every persons first book on driving while a teen.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

I'd like to add this, Paul Frere defined sports car as "Any production car that, with minimal modification, can be used competitively in motorsports." Frere was a giant in motorsports by both introducing the science of driving (when it was generally thought to be an art) as well as one of the most accomplished auto journalists of all time.

I like this definition because most gearheads will hear it and know exactly what is intended. It's natural and makes sense. Also this definition gets to the root of the "sports" part of the argument.

Now of course "any car can be used in motorsports" and "what do you mean by "minimal" are the typical replies, but if a person asks then they should probably be dropped from the convo.

GT car has been defined as a car suitable for a Grand Turismo (or a Grand Tour.) which has a generally accepted definition of "traditional trip of Europe undertaken by mainly upper class European young men of sufficient means and rank (or those of more humble origin who could find a sponsor), as well as young women if they were also of sufficient means, and accompanied by a chaperon, such as other family members, when they had come of age (about the age of 21 years old)" Thanks Wikipedia.

Understandably, it can be questioned why I would use the Frere definition of sports car vs. the Wikipedia definition of GT. Reason is Frere competed in and wrote so prolifically about motorsports and motoring that much of his influence permeates all forms of the language and lexicon of motoring and sports car competition today.

In the case of the two definitions above, I'd definitely call all 86 variants, sports cars and not GTs.

Cool. By that definition I have had way more sports cars than I thought.



This debate has raged on for years and the fun part there really isn't a "right" answer since the definitions are all open to interpretation.

If we are using Wikipedia as a refernce then it says we are both sort of right.

"A sports car, or sportscar, is a small, usually two-seater, two-door automobile designed for spirited performance and nimble handling.[2][3] The term "sports car" was used in The Times, London in 1919.[4] According to USA's Merriam-Webster dictionary, USA's first known use of the term was in 1928.[2] Sports cars started to become popular during the 1920s.[5]"

"Sports cars may be spartan or luxurious, but high maneuverability and light weight are requisite.[6] Sports cars are usually aerodynamically shaped (since the 1950s), and have a low center of gravity compared to standard models. Steering and suspension are typically designed for precise control at high speeds.[7] Traditionally sports cars were open roadsters, but closed coupés also started to become popular during the 1930s, and the distinction between a sports car and a grand tourer is not absolute."