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Old 06-09-2021, 10:20 PM   #29
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Truck.... Must... Be... Body... On... Frame.... Or... Not... Truck.

Unibody truck not make me happy. Rather bake bread.
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Unibody truck not make me happy. Rather bake bread.

But why? Whatís the actual measurable benefit for a truck this size and purpose? Nobody is driving these things to jobsites with a pallet of cinder blocks in the back. The Ridgeline is one of the best trucks for 90% of people who want a truck and itís unibody. Body on frame is useless weight in this class.
Unibody is lighter, strong enough, more fuel efficient, and much more comfortable.
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my biggest problem lately with unibody vehicles is that it makes mounting a hitch sort of a fiasco. when you're mounting it to what is essentially folded stamped sheet metal, there's a number of very specific processes and materials needed, and if any one of those steps is messed up or omitted, it drops a 4k tow rating to 500 pounds...
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But why? Whatís the actual measurable benefit for a truck this size and purpose? Nobody is driving these things to jobsites with a pallet of cinder blocks in the back. The Ridgeline is one of the best trucks for 90% of people who want a truck and itís unibody. Body on frame is useless weight in this class.
Unibody is lighter, strong enough, more fuel efficient, and much more comfortable.
I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek. Having said that....

Besides the VERY valid point re/ mounting a serious hitch already made by Soundman, "strong enough" isn't as good as "way more than strong enough," and "much more comfortable" is a matter of personal taste. My wife's unibody ML500 drives like a big tight car. Our set-up-for-camping body-on-frame LX470 (basically a Toyota Landcruiser for anyone unfamiliar) is, subjectively, much more comfortable. It's quieter by far, a bit more compliant, much smoother over bad roads and off-road...there's no comparison. I did install a class III hitch on it myself. Had a '93 Range Rover that was body-on-frame too. I much prefer working on and driving heavy duty vehicles constructed that way....especially living in the salt belt.

So, yeah. I won't buy a unibody truck because to me, it ain't a truck...it's a car that looks like a truck. Doesn't mean you shouldn't, or that it's not a truck to you. Different priorities, is all.
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unibody don't particularly bother me, i've been drooling over building one of these for a decade.



of course, i couldn't just do an xb, and would need a japanese version so i could do one of these front end conversions
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But why? Whatís the actual measurable benefit for a truck this size and purpose? Nobody is driving these things to jobsites with a pallet of cinder blocks in the back. The Ridgeline is one of the best trucks for 90% of people who want a truck and itís unibody. Body on frame is useless weight in this class.
Unibody is lighter, strong enough, more fuel efficient, and much more comfortable.
lol, discussing 'comfort' on a sports car forum. honestly, my tacoma rides like a cadillac compared to all my previous vehicles, 86 included. any smoother and the steering would be like stirring a bowl of jello.

fuel efficiency is sort of a red herring. fuel efficiency improvements over the years have had more to do with combustion efficiency than chassis design.

in fact, if fuel economy is a priority, the 2019+ ford ranger is a better selection, as it averages 21/26(2wd), and 20/24(4wd), where the ridgeline does 18/24.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/43723.shtml
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Powe...er&srchtyp=ymm
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lol, discussing 'comfort' on a sports car forum. honestly, my tacoma rides like a cadillac compared to all my previous vehicles, 86 included. any smoother and the steering would be like stirring a bowl of jello.

fuel efficiency is sort of a red herring. fuel efficiency improvements over the years have had more to do with combustion efficiency than chassis design.

in fact, if fuel economy is a priority, the 2019+ ford ranger is a better selection, as it averages 21/26(2wd), and 20/24(4wd), where the ridgeline does 18/24.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/43723.shtml
https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Powe...er&srchtyp=ymm

Comfort is important when 90% of them are daily driven with no load in the bed.

Youíre right, a large share of the fuel efficiency improvements came from increasing combustion efficiency. But Ford didnít spend the R/D to drop over 700lbs from the F150 because they thought aluminum sounds cool. Your fuel economy argument is kind of moot between the Honda and Ranger when itís that close, and itís An NA V6 vs a turbo4. Turbo motors are favored by the EPA tests because they donít mimic real peopleís driving style very well, so in real life Iíd expect the Honda to do as well as the Ranger.

Also funny that the Ridgeline with its puny independent suspension and weak unibody tows 5000lbs when the ranger only does 3500. Shit, I used to have a FWD SAAB convertible that towed that much (Google Saab 9-3 towing capacity), what do you even need a truck for lol?

My point is that you can design unibodies as strong as you need to, and a proper tow bar setup will maximize the capacity of the chassis. Just donít have the guy from U-Haul weld a dumb bar across the rear end. Iíve helped a friend install the OEM tow bar for an old BMW 7 series and it was pretty easy. It basically replaces the rear crash bar. There were a bunch of pickup points to also get 3500lbs capacity from it, but it only took us a few hours.

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This will sell well. Alot ppl need a work truck with decent payload capacity and little towing need. Even if I hate the CVT the mpg of the hybrid will make alot of companies and ppl happy who drive alot for there job

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The price point tells me it's a global conglomeration with most of the parts coming from "enemies"
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Well it's being made in Mexico. But let's not judge it till people get there hands on it.

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This. Where itís made doesnít matter, it depends on who set up the process, in this case Ford.

My 2007 BMW 335i sedan made in Germany (Munich) felt exactly the same as the 2007 BMW 335i coupe made in a different part of Germany (Regensburg), and felt exactly the same as my current 2011 BMW 335i sedan made in South Africa. Build quality is set by the process and design of the car. Where you build it doesnít matter.
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This. Where itís made doesnít matter, it depends on who set up the process, in this case Ford.

My 2007 BMW 335i sedan made in Germany (Munich) felt exactly the same as the 2007 BMW 335i coupe made in a different part of Germany (Regensburg), and felt exactly the same as my current 2011 BMW 335i sedan made in South Africa. Build quality is set by the process and design of the car. Where you build it doesnít matter.
Not true. I may disagree with the comments from Lantafrs, but your last statement is false.
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