Today I Learned...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

...I somewhat recently found this out about Mercedes that I thought was pretty nifty: http://www.mercedesmedic.com/start-m...d-key-battery/

Honda's have a failsafe as well. There is an RFID tag in the key fob. If you wave it directly in front of the Push Start button it will start the car even if you take the battery out of the key fob (RFID tags are passive and receive their energy from the reader).

Unfortunately the failsafe needs a failsafe when your key fob has been short circuited by floating around in diet coke for a few minutes and you not noticing it.

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Honda's have a failsafe as well. There is an RFID tag in the key fob. If you wave it directly in front of the Push Start button it will start the car even if you take the battery out of the key fob (RFID tags are passive and receive their energy from the reader).

Unfortunately the failsafe needs a failsafe when your key fob has been short circuited by floating around in diet coke for a few minutes and you not noticing it.

.... minutes?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

.... minutes?

Two year old picked it up off the table and dropped it into a half full glass. No one knows how long it was in there.

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Two year old picked it up off the table and dropped it into a half full glass. No one knows how long it was in there.

Ahh. I remember helping a friend build some computers for his father's sheet metal shop with a two year old lurking about. He was helping us clean up and threw my car keys into one of the boxes we were throwing away. I didn't notice until a couple of hours after we took all of the boxes to the dumpster, so no room for me to talk on that one.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Honda's have a failsafe as well. There is an RFID tag in the key fob. If you wave it directly in front of the Push Start button it will start the car even if you take the battery out of the key fob (RFID tags are passive and receive their energy from the reader).

Unfortunately the failsafe needs a failsafe when your key fob has been short circuited by floating around in diet coke for a few minutes and you not noticing it.

Our cars have this too.

Also, I had no problem shutting my engine off while driving. Now if only it wasn’t right next to the AC Auto button and about the same size.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

I didn't notice until a couple of hours after we took all of the boxes to the dumpster, so no room for me to talk on that one.

I did something similar with my wedding ring

[Subsonic]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yeah. Engine was suddenly down on power exiting a corner, looked and saw oil pressure drop out. Couldn't shut it off while coasting to a safe place on track, I had to go about 80-100 yards. Started knocking about half way, rod let go with only 10 yards or less to where I was trying to stop.

If you press the Start/Stop button three times in quick succession the engine will stop even while you're still rolling.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Subsonic

If you press the Start/Stop button three times in quick succession the engine will stop even while you're still rolling.

Thanks, good to know in the future.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I absolutely detest pushbutton start. Horrible to not have direct control of the starter motor.

Oh yes a screwdriver across the solenoid has a far better feel.

You have EXACTLY the same control of the starter with a button as with a key. With a key you have to turn it all the way back to off. With a button you just have to push the button again. There is zero difference in reaction time.
All turning a key is doing is pushing a button in a rotary manner.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Yeah. Engine was suddenly down on power exiting a corner, looked and saw oil pressure drop out. Couldn't shut it off while coasting to a safe place on track, I had to go about 80-100 yards. Started knocking about half way, rod let go with only 10 yards or less to where I was trying to stop.

And how would a key have helped in that situation? If you shut off a key you have the same results as turning off a button.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Oh yes a screwdriver across the solenoid has a far better feel.

You have EXACTLY the same control of the starter with a button as with a key. With a key you have to turn it all the way back to off. With a button you just have to push the button again. There is zero difference in reaction time.
All turning a key is doing is pushing a button in a rotary manner.

Even if a second push of the button cancels the start sequence (does it?) it's still not the same as simply letting go of the key.

Do you also prefer touch screens to knobs? Elon has a job for you.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And how would a key have helped in that situation? If you shut off a key you have the same results as turning off a button.

I couldn’t shut the engine down while coasting. I might have at least been left with a salvageable block and some other parts. Really bummed that rod had to kill my fresh new blue moon oil pan baffle. I ended up with about 400lbs of scrap I was only able to salvage nuts and bolts off of. Oh, and a set of cam carrier dowels for a member on here Now I know how to kill it with push start.


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[Ultramaroon]

Imagine a push-button toggle on a machine gun. Yeah, that's real fucking handy.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Unfortunately, it's the way of the future because, while completely unnecessary, it has become one of the must-haves for manufacturers to keep up with each other. I truly hope that my FRS is the last car I ever own. We'll see. Need to stock up on spare parts as much as possible.

Yep, start buttons have been around on cars since the 1940's (at least).

Why do some people think they are soooo special -