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Old 09-21-2013, 03:15 AM   #29
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Living in Aus it's easy to buy an S15. They're about 10-20k for a used example.

The problem is that it's incredibly hard to find a nice car that hasn't been modified or had crap like rice taillights and bodykits installed. Most of them are 100,000 km's+ these days.

Add to that even though the S15 came out in 1999 it was basically the same technology as the SR20DET S13 which is a 20 year old car.

I looked around for an S15 before deciding to buy an 86. After looking hard at car classifieds online I could never find a decent manual unmodified example that was sub 100,000 km's. If Nissan still sold them new it would be another story though.
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Living in Aus it's easy to buy an S15. They're about 10-20k for a used example.

The problem is that it's incredibly hard to find a nice car that hasn't been modified or had crap like rice taillights and bodykits installed. Most of them are 100,000 km's+ these days.

Add to that even though the S15 came out in 1999 it was basically the same technology as the SR20DET S13 which is a 20 year old car.

I looked around for an S15 before deciding to buy an 86. After looking hard at car classifieds online I could never find a decent manual unmodified example that was sub 100,000 km's. If Nissan still sold them new it would be another story though.
Agreed @Wise

Same here in NZ. Mine had over 200,000km on it when I sold it. They either seem to be unmodified and high kms like mine was or low kms but badly modified.
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Used NA AT S15 (<$5,000) + LS3/T56 ($5,000?) + LS swap kit ($5,000) + your own sweat and other labor ($5,000) = 400+hp Japanese-styled coupe, roughly same weight as an 86, for less cost
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Old 09-21-2013, 06:38 AM   #32
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IMHO the SR20DET the best 4 cylinder Japan ever made, and imho the ZN6 is the best chassis japan ever made.

since I don't need a 12 second car I'm satisfied with the FRS over the unobtainable S15, just hope to get rid of the torque dip.
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...The problem is that it's incredibly hard to find a nice car that hasn't been modified or had crap like rice taillights and bodykits installed. Most of them are 100,000 km's+ these days.
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If Nissan still sold them new it would be another story though.
That is basically how I feel... if I can find a pristine S15 that I can import and legalize, I'd get rid of my BRZ in a heartbeat.

But Nissan dropped the ball on this because they read the US market wrong, and never thought about importing and developing an entry level sports car with the right engine. A S14 with a 155HP KA24DE in 1998 was sold for around $25k, and for the same dollar amount today you can get a FRS or BRZ that has way better performance and platform design.

If, however, the S-chassis was continually developed, I think the subcompact tuner market today would've been vastly different.

The SR engine is a proven design from the 1990s with a lot of aftermarket support, even long after the cars were discontinued. One advantage the engine had was that it was both popular in NA form (SE-R guys), as well as turbo (Pulsar GTi-R/Bluebird/Silvia/180SX). I hope the FA20 sees the same development over its lifespan.

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That is basically how I feel... if I can find a pristine S15 that I can import and legalize, I'd get rid of my BRZ in a heartbeat.

But Nissan dropped the ball on this because they read the US market wrong, and never thought about importing and developing an entry level sports car with the right engine. A S14 with a 155HP KA24DE in 1998 was sold for around $25k, and for the same dollar amount today you can get a FRS or BRZ that has way better performance and platform design.

If, however, the S-chassis was continually developed, I think the subcompact tuner market today would've been vastly different.

The SR engine is a proven design from the 1990s with a lot of aftermarket support, even long after the cars were discontinued. One advantage the engine had was that it was both popular in NA form (SE-R guys), as well as turbo (Pulsar GTi-R/Bluebird/Silvia/180SX). I hope the FA20 sees the same development over its lifespan.

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I looked for an unmolested rust-free S14 for nearly a decade before buying the frs. The last one I looked at really pissed me off, a pristine '96 240sx that had a SR20DET swap but no OBDII port, no way to get an emissions sticker and legally drive where I live (if only it had been a '95). As far as the fa20 it really can't be compared to a forged engine like the SR20DET. A 350 hp daily driver SR20det can be easy and trouble-free.
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Old 09-23-2013, 01:01 PM   #35
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I found mine in KC after two months of searching on CL everyday for STL and KC.

I'm from KC, so when I found this one I had my brother pick it up for me. You guys would be shocked at how clean and straight this car is. I had it on the rack when I finished the 5-lug conversion and it didn't even have surface rust on the frame. I'm still amazed

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IMHO the SR20DET the best 4 cylinder Japan ever made, and imho the ZN6 is the best chassis japan ever made.

since I don't need a 12 second car I'm satisfied with the FRS over the unobtainable S15, just hope to get rid of the torque dip.
SR20 is an amazing motor. I love them and am a bit biased. The fact that you can make near 400whp on a stock block with some bolt ons and good tuning is impressive. Idk about the ABSOLUTE best EVER though.. but it's gotta be up there high on the list. There are some crazy 4 cylinder motors that have come out of Japan.

As far as chassis' go, I think the FD RX7 and AP1 S2000 are both far better than our cars.
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Just buy a late model 240sx and do a S15 front end and SR20DET swap
Thats what I'd do. Plus then it'd be left hand drive too.
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Thats what I'd do. Plus then it'd be left hand drive too.
S14.5 can be done right but people screw them up so much. S14.5s NEED widebody to look right. Otherwise, it looks weird.

S15's are still better than 14s. The 15 chassis is a big improvement over the 14 as a whole.
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S14.5 can be done right but people screw them up so much. S14.5s NEED widebody to look right. Otherwise, it looks weird.

S15's are still better than 14s. The 15 chassis is a big improvement over the 14 as a whole.
If you're going to leave it stock then sure. But as a platform it really doesn't matter as you can make it what you want. Plus the cost of modding a 240 into an S14.5 is much cheaper then trying to get a real S15 and getting it legalized.
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S15 cannot be made street legal in the US period. If you can afford an off road use only vehicle or wish to break the law by registering it as an s14, by all means.

An s13.5 or s14.5 will never look as sexy as a real s15.
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If it were me, I would just track down an S15 shell and build it up. Tow/trailer it to track events and have fun with it. If you still have it when the 25 year mark hits and you want it to be street legal, then go through the process.
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