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GR86 General Topics (2nd Gen 2022+ Toyota 86) General topics for the GR86 second-gen 86


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Old 04-06-2021, 04:41 PM   #169
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Peak power is god damn stupid if you're not able to extract every single ounce of performance out of the car, which I doubt very many people here are able to.
I agree . I can say from experience that a bolstered torque curve really changes the car as a daily driver. I can drive below 5k rpm all day. My valve train sends me Christmas cards.
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Old 04-06-2021, 04:56 PM   #170
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Peak power is god damn stupid if you're not able to extract every single ounce of performance out of the car, which I doubt very many people here are able to.
That, and there are ways to manipulate or get meaningless peak numbers like if a wastegate is setup for boost spike seen here in the torque curve:

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Old 04-06-2021, 07:09 PM   #171
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I am really trying to like the styling, I am. But it feels like when the MR2 went from the MKII to the MKIII...albeit, not that drastic, but my sentiment is the same.

It's definitely a car with some good angles and not so good angles. I think it looks great from these angles from the height of a standing person
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Old 04-06-2021, 07:13 PM   #172
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It's definitely a car with some good angles and not so good angles. I think it looks great from these angles from the height of a standing person
I am sure with some light styling mods it will look exceptional
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Old 04-06-2021, 07:21 PM   #173
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Feels like it needs 1" larger wheels, they seem a touch small.
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Old 04-06-2021, 10:33 PM   #175
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I've generally preferred to buy Subaru over Toyota, simply because the Subaru dealers in my area have been much more straightforward to deal with than the Toyota dealers (who seem like they just can't help themselves and have to play all the usual games that gives car salespeople such a scummy reputation...). That's why I bought a BRZ over an 86, after beating my head against the wall trying to buy a Hakone and couldn't find a Toyota dealer who wasn't dripping with sleaze...

If I buy a second-gen car, I was planning to go straight to Subaru. But to my own personal eyes, the GR86 front end looks better. A lot better. Enough so to possibly make it a deal-maker.

1. The side gills are less prominent/obnoxious on the 86. On the BRZ they're too big and look like asteroid impact craters.

2. The bottom edge is more cohesive on the 86, with the integrated body-colored front spoiler. In the BRZ, the split lines and body-color mixed with black lip look too busy, like it's trying to ape something it isn't.

3. The front license plate location on the 86 is so much better than the BRZ. Having to hang it off the front bumper on the BRZ just looks so wrong, so tacky, so afterthought. Yuck. I thought I could live with it until I saw how clean and normal the plate position on the 86 looks, placed where it should be, in the grille and not tacked onto the edge of the bumper.

4. I personally prefer smaller grille openings to the gaping maw gasping catfish look that seems to be a trendy but so wrong styling fad these days (I'm talking about you Lexus), which would give the nod to the BRZ. But the other design aspects of the 86 outweigh this, and once the front plate is on (required in my state), I think the Toyota would get my money this time.

Assuming I can find a Toyota salesperson within 100 miles that isn't completely full of sleaze.
Define sleezy. Just don't take any if their bullshit and tell them who's boss.
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Thats actually pretty awesome.
The BRZ one is a little less dramatic. big BRZ logo shows up but doesnt spin. Just sits there while the background spins and eventually transitions to the guages the same way.

Im actually a little curious if the car is a bit more refined/quiet than the current twins.
everything on the inside appears "thicker"
That might push me to wait a bit until the second gen comes out instead of biting the bullet and trying to jump into a current gen.
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Old 04-07-2021, 12:58 AM   #177
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What exactly was it "intended for"?
As many Hakone's will get tracked as any other version.
The majority of the PP cars will never ever see a track.

Pretentious "enthusiast" is pretentious.
Wasn’t intended for anyone in particular. Simply speaking my mind. I felt that paying for a Hakone for the same price as a PP Brz wasn’t worth it to me PERSONALLY.

Every post about the new gen I’ve seen of yours you keep commenting “how bad it “looks” and you hate it.

The front fenders you “hate” are completely functional. The side skirts you “hate” are easily changed.

You sound like an ex GF who can’t except the fact that people have moved on.
The new car has a better motor with improved HP and Torque curve, and a 50% more rigid chassis.
You KNOW that this car will be a far better performer than your car, but simply because it doesn’t “look” good to you, you bash it.

Toyota/Subaru both should be applauded that they made this car at all in 2021-22, and especially with improvements in today’s SUV, EV market.

Hakone was only made for ONE year, the fact that you say just as many of them are being tracked/raced over the multiple years these cars were offered is nonsense. These are DRIVERS cars, yes more than 50% of them don’t track them, but they are built for DRIVERS.

My Girlfriend Christine has a 2019 PP BRZ and I absolutely love driving her car, but the new car is most definitely a step up. We get it, you always talk about how the reveal was “unexciting” blah blah. Only to people like you who prefer “looks” over performance.

I’m very proud of the improvements they made on the motor and chassis. There is no doubt this will be a better DRIVERS car.

Funny how you have the word Racecar in your sig, as you never RACE your car.

Again you don’t show any appreciation that a new gen even exists, especially when it’s going to be a much better performing car.
You knock “functional” vents and “looks” while ignoring the MANY improvements.

I love the Hakone green color, always have, I was simply stating for the same price the PP BRZ was more worth the same $ TO ME.

But again, as someone who doesn’t truly “drive” their car, you wouldn’t understand.

I love both generations of the twins immensely, but unlike yourself I truly welcome and appreciate the new car, and don’t knock the “looks” over the far better performance gains , or the fact they are making a 2nd Gen at all.

The fact these cars are coming out at all should be applauded, not knocked.
You may not “race” your car, but for those of us that do, we can appreciate the chassis/ motor improvements.

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Old 04-07-2021, 01:37 AM   #178
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Im actually a little curious if the car is a bit more refined/quiet than the current twins.
Did you see the buttons controlling the seat warmers?
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Wasn’t intended for anyone in particular. Simply speaking my mind. I felt that paying for a Hakone for the same price as a PP Brz wasn’t worth it to me PERSONALLY.

Every post about the new gen I’ve seen of yours you keep commenting “how bad it “looks” and you hate it.

The front fenders you “hate” are completely functional. The side skirts you “hate” are easily changed.

You sound like an ex GF who can’t except the fact that people have moved on.
The new car has a better motor with improved HP and Torque curve, and a 50% more rigid chassis.
You KNOW that this car will be a far better performer than your car, but simply because it doesn’t “look” good to you, you bash it.

Toyota/Subaru both should be applauded that they made this car at all in 2021-22, and especially with improvements in today’s SUV, EV market.

Hakone was only made for ONE year, the fact that you say just as many of them are being tracked/raced over the multiple years these cars were offered is nonsense. These are DRIVERS cars, yes more than 50% of them don’t track them, but they are built for DRIVERS.

My Girlfriend Christine has a 2019 PP BRZ and I absolutely love driving her car, but the new car is most definitely a step up. We get it, you always talk about how the reveal was “unexciting” blah blah. Only to people like you who prefer “looks” over performance.

I’m very proud of the improvements they made on the motor and chassis. There is no doubt this will be a better DRIVERS car.

Funny how you have the word Racecar in your sig, as you never RACE your car.

Again you don’t show any appreciation that a new gen even exists, especially when it’s going to be a much better performing car.
You knock “functional” vents and “looks” while ignoring the MANY improvements.

I love the Hakone green color, always have, I was simply stating for the same price the PP BRZ was more worth the same $ TO ME.

But again, as someone who doesn’t truly “drive” their car, you wouldn’t understand.

I love both generations of the twins immensely, but unlike yourself I truly welcome and appreciate the new car, and don’t knock the “looks” over the far better performance gains , or the fact they are making a 2nd Gen at all.

The fact these cars are coming out at all should be applauded, not knocked.
You may not “race” your car, but for those of us that do, we can appreciate the chassis/ motor improvements.
Absolutely spot on! Agree 100%
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:02 AM   #180
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I’m not too big on peak-power, bench racing when we are talking about fractions of a second when there is gearing, tires, redline, area-under-the-curve, etc. You made a great attempt. I’m sure the 0-60 time improved by over a second, but I don’t think these horsepower and torque gains are enough to do that on their own. My guess is that the PS4 tires are a big part of it.
The comparison you made to 8th-gen K20 vs 9th gen K24 Civic Si bears no relation to FA20 vs. FA24. In the end, power/weight is somewhat improved and "area under the curve" is *vastly* improved with the new 2.4. Whatever the gearing or tires, it's not 197hp 8300rpm K20 vs. 201hp 7200rpm K24 here, this is going to be a legitimately better-performing engine that doesn't short-change us on revs.

That said, if 0-60 really is 1 full second quicker, it's gotta be because there's no 2-3 shift required and nothing to do with PS4 tires vs. Primacies (I mean, it's not like the FA20 is a tire-roasting torque-monster).

I can see how people would miss the K20 after the K24 Si came out, and also the F20C after the F22C S2000 came out. But nobody's gonna miss the FA20 when the FA24 comes out...
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Old 04-07-2021, 02:34 AM   #181
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Critically the k24 made 170lb/ft vs K20 139lb/ft of torque. As this is what actually moves the car, figured it was worth mentioning.lol The only thing people miss about the k20 anymore is its head on a k24 hybrid. haha
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