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RedReplicant · 03-21-2023, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

The SC3R is about the same price as the NT01 if you are interested in 100TW. They are faster, shed water a bit better, and last around 8 track days. They need quite a bit of warmup though which I believe the NT01 also needs. I haven't run either yet, this year will be my first dabble into them. I still think the RS4, SX2, or possibly the V730 are better options for you.

Are you sure you don't mean the SC3? The SC3R is nearly Hoosier R7 fast and doesn't usually last that long. They're definitely go-to cheatery tire for 100tw limit classes though.

I personally like the RC1 better than the NT01, both are slower than the modern super-200 tires but last a decent amount of time. Can't go wrong either way.

NoHaveMSG · 03-21-2023, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RedReplicant

Are you sure you don't mean the SC3? The SC3R is nearly Hoosier R7 fast and doesn't usually last that long. They're definitely go-to cheatery tire for 100tw limit classes though.

I personally like the RC1 better than the NT01, both are slower than the modern super-200 tires but last a decent amount of time. Can't go wrong either way.

Going off talking with a couple locals. I also remember this post from Opie.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=281

RedReplicant · 03-21-2023, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Going off talking with a couple locals. I also remember this post from Opie.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=281

I'm doing tires wrong

NoHaveMSG · 03-21-2023, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RedReplicant

I'm doing tires wrong

I just hit up another guy on Insta who I haven't met and runs in my area and he said 4.

Guess I am going to just have to find out. 4 was all I got on RT660's.

Ohio Enthusiast · 03-21-2023, 08:49 PM

I saw similar (conflicting) reports on every tire I looked at, even on the same platform (although it seems (and makes sense) that heavier cars go through tires quicker). Hard numbers are hard to come by (no pun intended), but the general feel is fairly consistent - RS4 (and RS3 before it) "wear like iron", even though some people manage to go through a set in one weekend; A052/RE71 give good lap times for the first few and wear like butter (and still there are people that complain that they don't grip); etc. That's why I brought up the NT01 - it is consistently praised as a good HPDE tire - good wear, predictable and consistent.

NoHaveMSG · 03-22-2023, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

I saw similar (conflicting) reports on every tire I looked at, even on the same platform (although it seems (and makes sense) that heavier cars go through tires quicker). Hard numbers are hard to come by (no pun intended), but the general feel is fairly consistent - RS4 (and RS3 before it) "wear like iron", even though some people manage to go through a set in one weekend; A052/RE71 give good lap times for the first few and wear like butter (and still there are people that complain that they don't grip); etc. That's why I brought up the NT01 - it is consistently praised as a good HPDE tire - good wear, predictable and consistent.

Setup and driver also plays a huge role. Like the guy that just told me 4 days looks like could use quite a bit more negative camber, he sent me a picture of his when they were done. So maybe could have eeked another day out. I talked with another that said his were done at 6, and another that was at 6 and thought he could do one or two more. All on SC3R.

It's like when the 660 came out everyone saying it is like an RE71R that lasts longer and is more heat tolerant. Everyone local to me across a bunch of platforms didn't have that experience lol.

strat61caster · 03-22-2023, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

It's like when the 660 came out everyone saying it is like an RE71R that lasts longer and is more heat tolerant. Everyone local to me across a bunch of platforms didn't have that experience lol.

I mean, the rubber does last longer... it's just not sticky for those extra laps.

jflogerzi · 03-23-2023, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

How is their wear (how long is "not last as long")? As I said, I'm not really interested in being faster, although being predictable and consistent is a great plus.

Nothing but what I have read and heard. SX2s are great street tire and learning tire but will be several seconds 2-3 in my experience slower than a 660 class. On RE71rs could be more. I have only done 1 track day on my v730s. Trying to wear out my old 660s first

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Ohio Enthusiast · 03-23-2023, 11:51 AM

The 86 Cup tires list (at the very bottom) might be relevant for this discussion. The +1 point tires aligns more or less with what we discussed here and what I saw on other platforms for DE tires. I'm sure they focus more on traction than wear and heat tolerance, but I think it might be a good starting point (at least better than manufacturers' TW rating or category (Max/Extreme/R-comp)).
Would be interesting to see the updated 2023 list.

NoHaveMSG · 03-23-2023, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

The 86 Cup tires list (at the very bottom) might be relevant for this discussion. The +1 point tires aligns more or less with what we discussed here and what I saw on other platforms for DE tires. I'm sure they focus more on traction than wear and heat tolerance, but I think it might be a good starting point (at least better than manufacturers' TW rating or category (Max/Extreme/R-comp)).
Would be interesting to see the updated 2023 list.

It's a bit skewed though IMO. GT radial is a sponsor after all. You also need to keep in mind the list is tiered with TT/TA in mind. Weird that the 615k is in with all the 200tw tires.

RedReplicant · 03-23-2023, 06:18 PM

Yes, that list has some problems. A Toyo RR is absolutely not on pace with a Hoosier, it fits into the other 100tw tires, should be swapped with the SC3R. There is also a spread between the listed 100tw tires and the super 200 tires in the same group.

The GRM chart is a little overly generalized, but it is pretty good.

dragoontwo · 03-24-2023, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

It's a bit skewed though IMO. GT radial is a sponsor after all. You also need to keep in mind the list is tiered with TT/TA in mind. Weird that the 615k is in with all the 200tw tires.

The 615K+ is a 200TW tire though isn't it?

NoHaveMSG · 03-24-2023, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dragoontwo

The 615K+ is a 200TW tire though isn't it?

You are right. For some reason I had it in my head it was one of those 220-300 range tires. I only have one day of experience on them, in a car that wasn't mine.

dragoontwo · 03-24-2023, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

You are right. For some reason I had it in my head it was one of those 220-300 range tires. I only have one day of experience on them, in a car that wasn't mine.

What did you think about them?

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Ohio Enthusiast Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Drives: 2018 BRZ Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 897 Thanks: 1,364 Thanked 763 Times in 432 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I saw similar (conflicting) reports on every tire I looked at, even on the same platform (although it seems (and makes sense) that heavier cars go through tires quicker). Hard numbers are hard to come by (no pun intended), but the general feel is fairly consistent - RS4 (and RS3 before it) "wear like iron", even though some people manage to go through a set in one weekend; A052/RE71 give good lap times for the first few and wear like butter (and still there are people that complain that they don't grip); etc. That's why I brought up the NT01 - it is consistently praised as a good HPDE tire - good wear, predictable and consistent.

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Ohio Enthusiast Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Drives: 2018 BRZ Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 897 Thanks: 1,364 Thanked 763 Times in 432 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The 86 Cup tires list (at the very bottom) might be relevant for this discussion. The +1 point tires aligns more or less with what we discussed here and what I saw on other platforms for DE tires. I'm sure they focus more on traction than wear and heat tolerance, but I think it might be a good starting point (at least better than manufacturers' TW rating or category (Max/Extreme/R-comp)). Would be interesting to see the updated 2023 list.

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