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View Poll Results: Do you have chirping (cricket) noise during idle once the car is warmed up?
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:38 PM   #2381
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Considering he's the only person to post something other than "I tried this and that happened" it's got a bit more weight than any other arm-chair quarter-backing.
"I tried this and that happened" is the scientific process in a nutshell...

Our observable outcome from using E0 holds WAY more weight than 1 person pulling the pump apart and making a judgment that totally ignores our observable outcome from using E0, but doesn't make it any less of a reality that E0 does fix the majority of chirping FRS/BRZ's.
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:42 PM   #2382
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Over and over again with a non-100% success rate does not a solution make. And saying "well you must have done it wrong" does not magically return E0 to a 100% success rate.

I agree that Ethanol Free is probably the best option for those driven mad by the pump, but to tout it as the "reason" the pump chirps is premature at best.
I'm still trying to understand why you are trying to have an argument no one else is having.

No one said it was a 100%, across the board fix. We said it fixed it for us and the people we know.

No its not a 100% success rate, but I would venture at least 80% of people who try E0 find the chirps gone.

100% of the people I personally know in the PNW who drive FRS/BRZ's and the people I've met at meet up's (close to 25 now) who run E0 have no chirps.

That statement doesn't mean 100%, always, forever, no matter what....
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:43 AM   #2383
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Most, if not all, cars are rated for E10 these days and our cars certainly are.
So they engineered that into the fuel systems but I don't think they actually tested it with E10 being hard to obtain in Japan. The part that's failing to operate quietly is still doing it's job and doesn't seem to be causing any other problems but the noise is from excess friction and friction causes wear, so who knows what will happen?

There are oils designed to be added to fuel to provide extra lubrication.
I can't find the post, but I hypothesized a similar idea, and it turns out they do actually test the cars in the US, on US fuel. So I have no clue how this was missed or overlooked
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Old 07-23-2013, 09:08 AM   #2384
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I can't find the post, but I hypothesized a similar idea, and it turns out they do actually test the cars in the US, on US fuel. So I have no clue how this was missed or overlooked
It's very strange isn't it! Nothing else seems to make sense unless they didn't use fuel with any ethanol or had one of the ones that don't make a noise with ethanol maybe because of higher clearance?
Maybe the first pumps were machined elsewhere to the final supplier?

There has to be a reason it got missed.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:27 AM   #2385
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Why are you so desperate to push and argument no one is having?
I find it annoying when people post "Do this it works I swear!" with no disclaimer. I appreciate the 80% success rate admission.

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Have you had your hearing checked?
Crickets were in full force up until about 5k miles, slowly faded until silence at 10k miles. Nobody else can hear them, might be the water out here...

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Let me ask you this...What have you been using for Engine oil?
OEM oil up until about 7.8k, changed for Mobil 1 0W-40 (due to the heat) which I'm not happy with, I can't possibly see how that would change anything other than heat distribution. Like I said, the chirps faded, they certainly existed earlier in my ownership. All 91 E10 at the cheapest station, "v-power" was the loudest tank I had up until I filled up with it a couple days ago.
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:36 AM   #2386
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Crickets were in full force up until about 5k miles, slowly faded until silence at 10k miles. Nobody else can hear them, might be the water out here...
This is also starting to look like a trend. I hope this starts to be the case for most people. I wonder if people that have been running E0 with no chirps could switch back to the E10+ after getting to higher mileage and not have any chirps come back or if it will only work for people who have been on E10 the whole time. I am going to be wishing I had just sucked it up and dealt with the chirps if the latter is true.
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:20 PM   #2387
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Unfortunately I don't have any E0 close to me in Northern VA... I have 14k miles on my car and the chirps are still just as strong as they were at 1k miles... It's so frustrating.
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0-300 miles = no chirp
300-8000 miles = chirp
8000-10000 miles = no chirp (2 months)
10000-10800 = chirp
10800 = HPFP replaced (2 months ago)
10800-13000 = no chirp, except for one muggy morning... Just once.
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I give my pump a hand-job before starting. No chirps.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:10 PM   #2390
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I find it annoying when people post "Do this it works I swear!" with no disclaimer. I appreciate the 80% success rate admission.
You are probably almost as annoyed as we are with you for pushing an argument we aren't having.


E0 DOES work, I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with this fact but its true.

That statement doesn't push out the possibility of it not working for some though.
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Old 07-23-2013, 04:44 PM   #2391
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Update, mine's been idling like crap for two days now. Time to reset the ECU... again.
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Well I have been running shell 91 exclusively since I got my car, 0% ethanol and I received my first chirps. Started about 2 weeks ago and they have not gone away. I am at 4000 KM (2485 Miles).

I was hoping I would not get them as people had success with 0% ethanol fill ups but in my experience so far 0% ethanol dosnt seem to be the fix

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Well I have been running shell 91 exclusively since I got my car, 0% ethanol and I received my first chirps. Started about 2 weeks ago and they have not gone away. I am at 4000 KM (2485 Miles).

I was hoping I would not get them as people had success with 0% ethanol fill ups but in my experience so far 0% ethanol dosnt seem to be the fix
My guess would be that you got some fuel with ethanol in a couple of weeks ago. If it goes in the tank by mistake they aren't likely to pump it out even if they know.
Why are you using 91 when the engine is designed and tuned for 93?
I know they say it can safely run on 91 but clearly 93 and higher is the fuel to use unless you get caught out somewhere with only low octane available.
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