Papa Toyota unhappy that the BRZ/86 feels like a Subaru

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Kittykate

It's a good thing too because if it felt like a modern Toyota it'd be fucking boring.

I had a rental 2019 Corolla and it actually handled nicely. Felt more sporty than Subarus products I've been in lately

[FR-S2GT86]

Originally Posted by KR-S

Because they don't have an inline 6 that is currently in production. And why would you want them to yank a 471 hp V8 out of their cars?

Last I heard, Toyota was working with Mazda on a new design for an inline 6 coming out. But for now, they can borrow one from another company like manufacturers do all the time. Toyota COULD HAVE worked with BMW and taken the 3.0 I-6 that is now in the MkV Supra, and instead placed it in the LC chassis and sold THAT as the Supra. They would have probably been better off making this deal anyways as you get the best of both worlds - a highly refined and reliable chassis in the Lexus, and a highly refined and reliable engine in the BMW I-6.

Why yank the V-8? To further lighten it up after they remove all the other unnecessary weight and so they can sell it at a cheaper cost to the public in order to sell more of them.

If they've already got a V-8 in their Lexus brand car, why wouldn't you just purchase a Lexus? Because I can't afford one for starters, but the main reason is that none of them have a manual transmission available. If I'm forking over $65,000 for a used sports coupe (or $110,000 for a new one) that car better have a manual transmission. If BMW can offer a manual trans in their sporty cars, so can Lexus and Toyota.

Besides, wouldn't this car look better dressed up as a Supra instead of BMW's version?

[Sasquachulator]

I dont believe Toyota has anything to do with the Mazda I6.

The rumors just pair them together because they have a collaboration deal in place (which beyond the Yaris based Mazda2, i dont even know what they're collaborating on)

[joro2]

(From the Wild Speculation Dept.)
How about the GR Yaris’ 3cyl turbo in Toyota’s version of the 2022 GR86....
Small enough and light enough to maintain the same/similar LCoG as the FA series 4cyl boxer?

[daiheadjai]

AWD GR86GT4 - you heard it here first!

[FR-S2GT86]

Originally Posted by joro2

(From the Wild Speculation Dept.)
How about the GR Yaris’ 3cyl turbo in Toyota’s version of the 2022 GR86....
Small enough and light enough to maintain the same/similar LCoG as the FA series 4cyl boxer?

That would probably be a good idea for selling the car in Europe, but not here in the States where buyers want larger engines.

[FR-S2GT86]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dont believe Toyota has anything to do with the Mazda I6.

The rumors just pair them together because they have a collaboration deal in place (which beyond the Yaris based Mazda2, i dont even know what they're collaborating on)

They've got a new joint-venture plant in Alabama. They're supposedly going to be building rear wheel drive vehicles there.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by KR-S

I'm not sure I'm a fan of that Jalopnik title... the way that's worded makes it sound like the second-gen 86 is too similar to Subarus in general, and not just that it was too similar to the BRZ, which is what Toyota's really concerned about according to the first article.

My advice is to completely avoid Jalopnik altogether. Site went to hell years ago. 90% fluff now and the other 10% is political crybabying.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86

Last I heard, Toyota was working with Mazda on a new design for an inline 6 coming out. But for now, they can borrow one from another company like manufacturers do all the time. Toyota COULD HAVE worked with BMW and taken the 3.0 I-6 that is now in the MkV Supra, and instead placed it in the LC chassis and sold THAT as the Supra. They would have probably been better off making this deal anyways as you get the best of both worlds - a highly refined and reliable chassis in the Lexus, and a highly refined and reliable engine in the BMW I-6.

Why yank the V-8? To further lighten it up after they remove all the other unnecessary weight and so they can sell it at a cheaper cost to the public in order to sell more of them.

If they've already got a V-8 in their Lexus brand car, why wouldn't you just purchase a Lexus? Because I can't afford one for starters, but the main reason is that none of them have a manual transmission available. If I'm forking over $65,000 for a used sports coupe (or $110,000 for a new one) that car better have a manual transmission. If BMW can offer a manual trans in their sporty cars, so can Lexus and Toyota.

Besides, wouldn't this car look better dressed up as a Supra instead of BMW's version?

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Your fixation (in this thread at least) with the LC is a little curious. That platform is HEAVY. Really, REALLY heavy. Nobody wants a 4000 lb Supra, which is what would happen if you tried to make one with that platform.

Even the RC coupe is too heavy, but that's the one you should be pushing for if you wanted an in house Supra. Not the LC

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86

Last I heard, Toyota was working with Mazda on a new design for an inline 6 coming out. But for now, they can borrow one from another company like manufacturers do all the time. Toyota COULD HAVE worked with BMW and taken the 3.0 I-6 that is now in the MkV Supra, and instead placed it in the LC chassis and sold THAT as the Supra. They would have probably been better off making this deal anyways as you get the best of both worlds - a highly refined and reliable chassis in the Lexus, and a highly refined and reliable engine in the BMW I-6.

Why yank the V-8? To further lighten it up after they remove all the other unnecessary weight and so they can sell it at a cheaper cost to the public in order to sell more of them.

If they've already got a V-8 in their Lexus brand car, why wouldn't you just purchase a Lexus? Because I can't afford one for starters, but the main reason is that none of them have a manual transmission available. If I'm forking over $65,000 for a used sports coupe (or $110,000 for a new one) that car better have a manual transmission. If BMW can offer a manual trans in their sporty cars, so can Lexus and Toyota.

Besides, wouldn't this car look better dressed up as a Supra instead of BMW's version?

Only thing I agree with you with is the manual transmission which should be an option in the RC F, not the LC 500.

For as much as I dislike the MKV Supra, I would rather take it in its current form instead of putting the BMW engine in the heavier chassis.

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

My advice is to completely avoid Jalopnik altogether. Site went to hell years ago. 90% fluff now and the other 10% is political crybabying.

YEP

Exactly my thoughts. That, and the misleading title.

Your fixation (in this thread at least) with the LC is a little curious. That platform is HEAVY. Really, REALLY heavy. Nobody wants a 4000 lb Supra, which is what would happen if you tried to make one with that platform.

Even the RC coupe is too heavy, but that's the one you should be pushing for if you wanted an in house Supra. Not the LC

[Dake]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Only the north american market 2020 Yaris was more or less a rebadged Mazda2

The 2020 global yaris is 100% toyota.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by FR-S2GT86

Toyota has already proven that they can make great sports cars. Just look at their Lexus line up. All they need to do is take an LC-500, yank the V-8 and drop in an inline 6 and mate it to a manual transmission. Remove all those unnecessary bells and whistles and call it something else.

They did this with the SC300/SC400 and Soarer platform. Why can't they do this with the new Lexus cars?

Toyota's insistence on maintaining the "purity" of the Supra with an I-6, and then handing the whole thing off to BMW was always a ridiculous contradiction. Just use a V-6. Worst case, get the I-6 from BMW and then build their own dang car around it. Their direction though just made no sense. And again - the GR Yaris shows they can afford to do it. If nothing else, they went and spent the money on an even more niche product in the Yaris rather than their supposed halo car.

[Lantanafrs2]

The push is toward small shitty turbod engines. Then it will be pure electrification. I can't believe Toyota is even producing an 86 , supra or the lexus v8s. Ford bronco has 1.5 litre turbo. Who knows? Maybe Toyota is gonna let everyone build their toy turbo shitboxes and then market their lexus and truck v8s as an alternative? I'm kinda surprised and thankful that they even stuck with the 86. Not a big moneymaker but imo a real shot in the enthusiasts arm from a company that builds mainly 4 wheeled appliances

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dake

Toyota's insistence on maintaining the "purity" of the Supra with an I-6, and then handing the whole thing off to BMW was always a ridiculous contradiction. Just use a V-6.

Exactly! Short-wheelbase cab-rearward 2-seat FT86 with an NA Lexus V6 making 330ish hp would have been my way to do a "new Supra". That woulda been schweeet...

[Willpower]

I wouldn’t be worried about the 86 seeming too Subaru if I was Toyota. If I was Toyota, what I’d be worried about is a well executed 400Z. To my eye, the 400Z SLAMS the Supra, and the upcoming 86 in the looks department, and if my math is right, has the potential to scorch the Supra in performance. And, don’t think for a minute that people don’t cross shop all three. Yours truly is one. I could buy either, and the Supra didn’t get anywhere close to attractive enough for me to consider moving to a new platform from my 17 BRZ. This 400Z though, it’s got potential. Great styling in my opinion. They execute the rest well and they might get my business. That, and make a killer orange pigment for the exterior please.