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Captain Snooze · 04-15-2021, 07:00 PM

"What became apparent very quickly was it's going to be like an iphone it just obsoletes itself so fast that by the time you spent any money with research and developing something they've just moved on to something faster."

Iain Litchfield on tuning electric vehicles.

NoHaveMSG · 04-15-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Definitely cool, would still like to see something smaller, 2dr, and rwd only though... and not made by Tesla.

I'd love to see the efficiency on this thing.

Just build it, I am sure it is cheap if you DIY it.

Irace86.2.0 · 04-15-2021, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Definitely cool, would still like to see something smaller, 2dr, and rwd only though... and not made by Tesla.

I'd love to see the efficiency on this thing.

Like with the aero versus without or with the car at performance speeds? Matt mentions at one point in the video that he hadn't had the car at speed for more than eight minutes, and it had already dropped by 40 miles of range.

Motor journalists often compare gas mileage equivalent between ICEs and EVs, but this is usually city and highway, and when they do take the car to the track, they typically mention a loss of range, recharging limitations, heat, etc, but I haven't heard of anyone comparing efficiency on the track. It reminds me of the Top Gear episode where they compared a BMW's fuel economy to a Prius' around a track, and they found that the BMW was slightly more efficient when the Prius was ringing out its engine and the BMW was barely pushing its engine. In a similar test, I would like to see the efficiency difference between a Model 3 vs a BMW 2/3 series being pushing around a track. The Model 3 is going to be heavier, which should really change its fuel efficiency during acceleration, but it does have regen to improve its efficiency. It would be interesting, even if it isn't a major concern for most people.

Irace86.2.0 · 04-15-2021, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Just build it, I am sure it is cheap if you DIY it.

EV West put a Tesla powertrain in a Factory Five 818 too.

NoHaveMSG · 04-15-2021, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

EV West put a Tesla powertrain in a Factory Five 818 too.

It is only $50K for the EV West kit.

(batteries sold separately)

Jordanwolf · 04-15-2021, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Like with the aero versus without or with the car at performance speeds? Matt mentions at one point in the video that he hadn't had the car at speed for more than eight minutes, and it had already dropped by 40 miles of range.

Motor journalists often compare gas mileage equivalent between ICEs and EVs, but this is usually city and highway, and when they do take the car to the track, they typically mention a loss of range, recharging limitations, heat, etc, but I haven't heard of anyone comparing efficiency on the track. It reminds me of the Top Gear episode where they compared a BMW's fuel economy to a Prius' around a track, and they found that the BMW was slightly more efficient when the Prius was ringing out its engine and the BMW was barely pushing its engine. In a similar test, I would like to see the efficiency difference between a Model 3 vs a BMW 2/3 series being pushing around a track. The Model 3 is going to be heavier, which should really change its fuel efficiency during acceleration, but it does have regen to improve its efficiency. It would be interesting, even if it isn't a major concern for most people.

With and without aero as well as at performance speeds and not. It would be interesting to see how much the car is affected by such changes as it is something to consider if EVs become common place at HPDE events where they can't even last more than one 30* min session and then the recharging process would be extremely tedious/inconvenient.

The whole party trick of an EV is being 'green' and blah blah and the moment you mess with the things that make it efficient, suddenly it's barely that 'green'.. the 315 tires had me laughing.

Irace86.2.0 · 04-15-2021, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

It is only $50K for the EV West kit.

(batteries sold separately)

Early/custom adopters gotta pay.

NoHaveMSG · 04-16-2021, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Early/custom adopters gotta pay.

Actually that price was for the Tesla powertrain. The standard setup is only 7600.

gymratter · 05-18-2021, 02:28 PM

beltax90 · 06-17-2021, 03:36 AM

Complete!

beltax90 · 06-23-2021, 05:31 PM

Dadhawk · 06-23-2021, 07:46 PM

I'll give Evasive credit for making a Model 3 actually look nice externally. The stripes on the hood and the changes to the front end make it almost attractive.

EAGLE5 · 06-25-2021, 11:37 PM

I never got a Model 3. Ergonomically, they suck. Too hard to get in and out of for a sedan. No hatch. So I got a Model Y LR AWD. East to get in and out of. Has a hatch. Also added an ECU mod so it should do 0-60 in as low as 4.2 seconds. Only issue is it's a bit too low, so I'm considering the lift options. One is a coilover kit using KW parts and longer stroke. Another is just a spacer. I will try spring helpers first, and see how I like it.

jflogerzi · 06-26-2021, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EAGLE5

I never got a Model 3. Ergonomically, they suck. Too hard to get in and out of for a sedan. No hatch. So I got a Model Y LR AWD. East to get in and out of. Has a hatch. Also added an ECU mod so it should do 0-60 in as low as 4.2 seconds. Only issue is it's a bit too low, so I'm considering the lift options. One is a coilover kit using KW parts and longer stroke. Another is just a spacer. I will try spring helpers first, and see how I like it.

Model Y is the one I would get as well. To rich for my blood

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