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Old 02-01-2018, 07:32 AM   #155
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And I caveat emptored what context that statement was made in. I also pointed out in what ways the 86's AT is inferior and superior to the MT in the 86.

Is there a single type of auto tranny that is superior?? Sure.. A dual clutch or a clutched start sequential is the most superior trans type out there today.

Are there auto's that are traditional style that are superior? For drag, absolutely.

With modern paddle shift traditional AT trannies, there are literally no performance inferiorities except launching and 'fun'(which is subjective) when WHP is equal.

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Who cares, Jaden?

AT drivers will drive theirs cars and love em and MT drivers will do the same. WTH are you trying to prove will all this crap?!
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Will it keep the gear engaged when off throttle or does it go neutral when lifting the way a traditional auto does.
You can engine brake with it, even in auto mode, I do this just about every day.

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If your in 6th and triple tap down, will it go directly to 3rd or does it drop one gear at a time?
It goes directly to the gear selected if done quickly enough. I double-tap all the time, don't know I've ever triple-tapped.

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How well does it rev match? For example from 2nd to 1st at 25mph, can it do that without a jolt?
Not tried it at 25mph specifically but no jolt on downshifting that I can perceive as long as you do it within a reasonable range.

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Looking on YouTube it looks like it up shifts after about 500ms and downshifts after about 750ms. 500ms is fine for an upshift. Timing on an upshift isn’t all that important anyways. 750ms before downshifting is a tad slow IMO. But not bad. It’s hard to judge how well it rev matches or if it engine brakes from watching YouTube videos.
Maybe my internal clock is a bit slower but I detect no level of delay between telling it to downshift and the transmission downshifting. It certainly does it faster then I could ever do it manually.
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Old 02-01-2018, 08:34 AM   #157
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Still a straw man. He said exactly the opposite of what you claimed.

Still confirmation bias. You're completely blind to the part of his post that doesn't fit with what you want to see.

Too bad.
LOL you highlight the middle of the sentence, ignore the last part and then state that I am blind to the parts I don't want to see? The sentence ends in exactly what I claimed.


If your whole contribution to this is going to consist of sitting back and dismissively yelling "straw man", "confirmation bias" and "blind" because you disagree then I am just wasting time presenting a different viewpoint. If this is your debate technique you should go into politics. I understand they can use such skills.
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Wow, why the hell does AT/MT turn shitty regardless what forum I’m on? Here’s how I feel for what it’s worth...if one is happy and enjoys car, why does anyone else care at all? Shouldn’t everyone here driving a nice, fun car be supportive of other regardless of transmission choice?
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Old 02-01-2018, 09:14 AM   #159
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LOL you highlight the middle of the sentence, ignore the last part and then state that I am blind to the parts I don't want to see? The sentence ends in exactly what I claimed.


If your whole contribution to this is going to consist of sitting back and dismissively yelling "straw man", "confirmation bias" and "blind" because you disagree then I am just wasting time presenting a different viewpoint. If this is your debate technique you should go into politics. I understand they can use such skills.
You implied that people who prefer MT over AT do it as if the tranny is the only part of driving. I specifically confirmed that the tranny is NOT the only aspect. There are a million cars with MT options that I wouldn't buy. But if all things are perfect about a car but it only offers an AT then I will not buy it. It isn't the only part of driving but it's a high enough priority to not buy a car. LSD is also very high on my list and would also sway me away from a car (E92 335). This is a silly argument though. The tranny could just as easily sway someone away from the car if only a MT was offered. Lucky for AT guys this is hardly a problem. There are only a handful of cars on the market today that fall into this category. STi, Focus ST/RS, Fiesta ST/RS, Civic Si/Type-R, maybe a few others.

I will explain my who point for the millionth time (not for you but others). I am not saying MT is better than AT. I am simply saying "I" find the MT more fun even if I am compromising raw shifting speed (highly negligible) or convenience. My fear is that people that literally only factor the 1320, 0-60 or lap times into the equation are going to kill off the MT "option" for others. Many of these people can't honestly say whether the MT is more or less fun because they've never owned one. I just don't understand the point in cheerleading for the demise of the MT simply because you don't understand it or don't personally prefer it. I am not cheerleading for the demise of the AT, I simply don't want my preferred option to dry up. Kind of reminds me of atheist. Everyone needs to know they are an atheist. They rant all day long about how they don't like religion and they don't like religious people pushing their religion on others but they have no problem pushing their non-religion on others. Just let people live their own life. Sorry, the atheism thing is a sore subject for me. The league I simrace with has a large percentage of scandinavians and although I love them, they drive me nuts on Facebook with their constant flow of anti-religion posts. It just seems like a disease these days. People are so insecure with how they live their own life that they need to prove to everyone else that their way is the only way.

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Wow, why the hell does AT/MT turn shitty regardless what forum I’m on? Here’s how I feel for what it’s worth...if one is happy and enjoys car, why does anyone else care at all? Shouldn’t everyone here driving a nice, fun car be supportive of other regardless of transmission choice?
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Who cares, Jaden?

AT drivers will drive theirs cars and love em and MT drivers will do the same. WTH are you trying to prove will all this crap?!
He's got an ego clearly.
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You can engine brake with it, even in auto mode, I do this just about every day.



It goes directly to the gear selected if done quickly enough. I double-tap all the time, don't know I've ever triple-tapped.



Not tried it at 25mph specifically but no jolt on downshifting that I can perceive as long as you do it within a reasonable range.



Maybe my internal clock is a bit slower but I detect no level of delay between telling it to downshift and the transmission downshifting. It certainly does it faster then I could ever do it manually.
Sounds like Toyota did a great job on this transmission. Especially considering it's not a dual clutch. In some ways it would have an advantage over a dual clutch speed wise because it wouldn't have that lag when switching to a gear that it didn't "predict" you were going to shift to. What I don't really understand though is why they didn't use the same ratios as the MT.
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If your whole contribution to this is going to consist of sitting back and dismissively yelling "straw man", "confirmation bias" and "blind" because you disagree then I am just wasting time presenting a different viewpoint.
If you're going to continue to argue against imaginary claims the other side didn't make, I'm going to continue pointing out that you're using straw men. If you don't want to be called out for using straw men, don't make shit up to argue against, and certainly don't post quotes that show you're making shit up.
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If you're going to continue to argue against imaginary claims the other side didn't make, I'm going to continue pointing out that you're using straw men. If you don't want to be called out for using straw men, don't make shit up to argue against, and certainly don't post quotes that show you're making shit up.
If your reading comprehension does not allow you to see the relevance of what I quoted that is not my fault nor make my points straw man.
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If your reading comprehension does not allow you to see the relevance of what I quoted that is not my fault nor make my points straw man.
Correct. Making shit up is what makes them straw men.

Stop making shit up, no more straw men. Pretty simple really.
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Correct. Making shit up is what makes them straw men.

Stop making shit up, no more straw men. Pretty simple really.
Please point out exactly what quotes I "made up". Apparently I am just too blind to see them.
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Please point out exactly what quotes I "made up". Apparently I am just too blind to see them.
I already did that on page 11.
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I already did that on page 11.
Ah yes. The use of part of the sentence and ignoring the end where my exact point was made. Not sure that counts as "making shit up".
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