New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

It would be just for engagement to simulate traditional shifting....

I guess, but this just feels to me like sitting in the still car and making engine and shifting noises as you pretend to drive.

I doubt this will happen, and if it does, it will likely be more or less a placebo. Even the Toyota patent you reference seems to just be "faking" gear changes.

I understand some people are MT or die, and I get that and if that's what is wanted, and there is enough market for it I hope it happens for those that want it.

I would think though that ones that want it, would want it to actually do something and not simulate something.

[ZDan]

For my electrified SV650 motorcycle build, I kept the transmission, but motor placement precluded use of the clutch. Clutchless up- and downshifts are no prob with the sequential gearbox tho Fun...

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ZDan

For my electrified SV650 motorcycle build, I kept the transmission, but motor placement precluded use of the clutch. Clutchless up- and downshifts are no prob with the sequential gearbox tho Fun...

OooooOOOoo

Pics ?

[bcj]

Originally Posted by ZDan

For my electrified SV650 motorcycle build, I kept the transmission, but motor placement precluded use of the clutch. Clutchless up- and downshifts are no prob with the sequential gearbox tho Fun...

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

OooooOOOoo

Pics ?

Yeah, detail mount machining docs and parts list & etc.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I guess, but this just feels to me like sitting in the still car and making engine and shifting noises as you pretend to drive.

I doubt this will happen, and if it does, it will likely be more or less a placebo. Even the Toyota patent you reference seems to just be "faking" gear changes.

I understand some people are MT or die, and I get that and if that's what is wanted, and there is enough market for it I hope it happens for those that want it.

I would think though that ones that want it, would want it to actually do something and not simulate something.

I think it'll be just like those old arcade racer setups (daytona USA or Ridge RAcer) or like those gamer setups at home.

Pedals + shifter attachment to the chair, steering wheel attached to the desk and you can play gran turismo or Forza like a real racecar driver including real shifting and pedal modulation action!

It'll feel exactly like playing a video game rather than driving an actual car.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

OooooOOOoo

Pics ?

Well, you asked! This was a while back, 2010? Damn...



Here it is with some body panels expertly painted satin black by me:


If you like yo pixels BIG:

Originally Posted by bcj

Yeah, detail mount machining docs and parts list & etc.

I was working at a now long since defunct electric vehicle company called Vectrix. Basically I removed the cylinder heads, hacked off 2/3 of the crankshaft and made a coupler and bolted a Vectrix motor up. ~28hp at ~5500rpm. Similar torque to SV650, but you gotta shift WAY sooner! Battery pack is NiMH, so *heavy*. I might be about to rebuild it with Li batteries and cut about 100 lb. out. Yeah....

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ZDan

Well, you asked! This was a while back, 2010? Damn...


I was working at a now long since defunct electric vehicle company called Vectrix. Basically I removed the cylinder heads, hacked off 2/3 of the crankshaft and made a coupler and bolted a Vectrix motor up. ~28hp at ~5500rpm. Similar torque to SV650, but you gotta shift WAY sooner! Battery pack is NiMH, so *heavy*. I might be about to rebuild it with Li batteries and cut about 100 lb. out. Yeah....

That's super cool

[TurboLag23]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

While not "exactly" a wagon, the Lyriq is closer to a modern station wagon than it is an SUV in my opinion.

With Tesla signing an agreement to open it's charging stations in the US I think the improvements we need in the infrastructure are coming. Still surprised that that fueling stations along the main routes haven't jumped on the bandwagon more



I don't really see the point of adding a mechanical clutch and shifter. For the most part it only helps in the top end, maybe increasing your top speed a bit. Just adding it for the sake of "engagement" doesn't really advance the tech at all.

1. Great point on the Tesla charging stations - I think it's a huge step in the right direction since they are 150/250 kW depending on the generation, so they're pretty speedy.

2. Adding a mechanical manual trans & clutch to an EV does not make any engineering sense - it's purely an emotional decision. Any increases in efficiency from being able to optimize gear ratios would likely be offset by the additional weight, but whatever - it's more fun! It is not "simulating" shifts - you are very much still driving a manual car, just without the idle! I've ridden in an EV-swapped Karmann Ghia, and it is truly sublime. You don't need to clutch out from a stop, but you should definitely still use clutch between gears. If the electric motor's redline mimics that of the ICE it replaces, your shift points don't even need to change that much; you just need to optimize for the electric motor's powerband. But you will definitely want a more robust clutch - aforementioned Karmann Ghia blew its first (stock) clutch into a million pieces a few miles into its maiden voyage because of all the torque! It now has a competition-spec clutch and has been going without a problem. Here - watch this for more details:

One last point: a super-easy way into auditory feedback in a manual EV is to just switch the motor/trans mounts to polyurethane or solid metal, to transmit more whine into the cabin.

[Arthur-A]

[Arthur-A]

[Dadhawk]

More good charging news thanks to Federal funds. Not only is Tesla getting ready to open up charging in the US to all vehicles, but GM/evGo and Pilot/Flying J are installing 2,000 charging units at the 500 outlets along the Interstate Highways.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Lots wrong here. For instance, lithium ion holds a charge extremely well. Cars have battery drain in Sentry mode or for other reasons, but they can be charging when parked, or a service can charge the car for you remotely, if someone was worried. They already have these services. But a car really only loses 2-3% per month sitting, so I don’t know where he is getting his numbers. My motorcycle sat for over a year with a Shorai lithium iron battery without a trickle charger and active immobilizer and started right up.

Dude assumes a lot. 18 wheelers could do battery swapping and have the batteries charge slower and at night and not need fast charging. Lithium sulfur and sodium sulfur batteries could dramatically change EV potential, including cost, longevity, performance, material ecology and sustainability, cut weight by a third or triple range, etc. To think things will stay at the current standard is silly.

Oil isn’t renewable, so it isn’t sustainable. It is also better to drive an EV with today’s batteries on coal electricity than a similar ICE, and all that only improves with renewables and lithium/sodium sulfur batteries or whatever they come up with. Oil is also more volatile than electricity. Lithium, sodium and sulfur will need to ramp up, as demand will likely spike and so will costs, but the long term is a more stable product. Recycling will definitely ramp as well. The best recycling is reuse for things like grid storage or to those who require less range, but recycling will be huge, as it is already progressing.

The best thing he said was recognizing that housing is a big part of the solution. We need more multifamily homes and less urban sprawl for sure.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

So much wrong and outdated thinking with redundancies already mentioned. And no, old cars aren’t better than new cars or EVs.

[Arthur-A]

Lol, "engineering explained", ev shill disguised as car enthusiast.