For the time attack guys, Traction Control on or off?

[ddeflyer]

Huh, figured you were banned or got bored of trolling us.

In any event, I'm not going to bite this time.

[7thgear]

that's not how you write a haiku...

[Fish Eagle]

I'm really
getting
confused now.
I thought it
was the hot
and cold sliding
doors on the
gazanaxoid that
did all that...

[stugray]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

It was already said that most
drivers prefer the ignition cut
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this will have on the TCS torque.
Additionally the simulation shows
the level of cut produced by the
traction control strategy.

@PowderfaceTr.
So you read the Feb 2015 edition of Racecar Engineering magazine and you are capable of cut & paste.

So you have proven to be as good at driving as Koko the gorilla....(she CANT drive but she can read & cut & paste)

[PowderfaceTr.]

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Sorry I didn't have time to reference the article or my point.
The point was and I continue to make is how all AI or driver aids improves the quality and skill of driving for everyone. Not just haters but the talented pilots who want to focus on racing and not car dynamics like some pit engineer. A prime example is the F35 aircraft flight stability systems. These allow one to not have to worry about cumbersome maneuver while relaying more vital field information. Analogous to FRS time attack where there can be random puddles of sand and loose tire bit all over the track. You want to have feedback like ignition cut to help one pay more attention to the ever changing racing line as such is most likely to occur racing with leaky unreliable poorly tuned streetcars.

[killboy]

BTW, Formula 1 did away with traction control. They should have consulted you though, clearly.

[celica73]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

Sorry I didn't have time to reference the article or my point.
The point was and I continue to make is how all AI or driver aids improves the quality and skill of driving for everyone. Not just haters but the talented pilots who want to focus on racing and not car dynamics like some pit engineer. A prime example is the F35 aircraft flight stability systems. These allow one to not have to worry about cumbersome maneuver while relaying more vital field information. Analogous to FRS time attack where there can be random puddles of sand and loose tire bit all over the track. You want to have feedback like ignition cut to help one pay more attention to the ever changing racing line as such is most likely to occur racing with leaky unreliable poorly tuned streetcars.

Not sure why I bother...

You seem to totally ignore the difference between a traction control system that is designed to keep kids/soccer moms/texters from killing themselves (and others) and a system that is actually engineered for track driving.

They aren't the same thing, and the twins have the first one, not the second. A real system will allow some pretty big slip angles, to the point of sliding the rear of the car a fair amount (believe it or not, it can be useful to "tighten" the line of a car in a turn either by gentle throttle oversteer or by trailbraking/lift throttle initiated oversteer). The stock system doesn't allow it at all.

Let's also not confuse traction control with stability control. They are different.

As for your other comments, it's good to see you want to use a system that relieves the driver from the pressure of having to actually drive. I hear Google is working on the perfect track car for you!

[stugray]

Originally Posted by celica73

As for your other comments, it's good to see you want to use a system that relieves the driver from the pressure of having to actually drive. I hear Google is working on the perfect track car for you!

Originally Posted by stugray

Soon PowderfaceTr wont need any of that "antiquated driving technique" stuff when Google comes out with the "GoogleRaceROM auto-driving performance system".
Now the racecar driver can just sit back and enjoy the newspaper and a Soy Moccachino.

The Google system will have the ability to make Espresso even while calculating the optimum corner entry angles.\


Just DONT ask it to make TEA, or the entire system could become unresponsive.....

[ddeflyer]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

Sorry I didn't have time to reference the article or my point.
The point was and I continue to make is how all AI or driver aids improves the quality and skill of driving for everyone. Not just haters but the talented pilots who want to focus on racing and not car dynamics like some pit engineer. A prime example is the F35 aircraft flight stability systems. These allow one to not have to worry about cumbersome maneuver while relaying more vital field information. Analogous to FRS time attack where there can be random puddles of sand and loose tire bit all over the track. You want to have feedback like ignition cut to help one pay more attention to the ever changing racing line as such is most likely to occur racing with leaky unreliable poorly tuned streetcars.

So, have you experienced these car's ultimate ignition cut yet? Its the one where your car disassembles its engine as you understeer straight into a wall. I hear it is quite a remarkable experience!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by celica73

Not sure why I bother...

You seem to totally ignore the difference between a traction control system that is designed to keep kids/soccer moms/texters from killing themselves (and others) and a system that is actually engineered for track driving.

They aren't the same thing, and the twins have the first one, not the second. A real system will allow some pretty big slip angles, to the point of sliding the rear of the car a fair amount (believe it or not, it can be useful to "tighten" the line of a car in a turn either by gentle throttle oversteer or by trailbraking/lift throttle initiated oversteer). The stock system doesn't allow it at all.

Let's also not confuse traction control with stability control. They are different.

As for your other comments, it's good to see you want to use a system that relieves the driver from the pressure of having to actually drive. I hear Google is working on the perfect track car for you!

86 VSC vs Porsche PASM is a perfect example.

PASM will let you spin out...

[glamcem]

it's just in your head, confidence is the single most important determinant when it comes to lap times, this can be said for the other things such as brakes and tires, it's really hard to tell if the upgrade's is the main contributor to the better lap times or the driver's confidence level, (most cases it's combination of both) or which contributes how much.. that's the reason why professional drivers who repeatedly puts the same lap times can only see 1-1.5 sec difference between R comps and High Performance tires when a novice drive can improve almost 4-5 secs (depends on the track of course)


.. VSC give you that confidence ..when you completely learn your car and spend more time you will notice that it actually holds you back,
I love pedal dance

[PowderfaceTr.]

Originally Posted by ddeflyer

So, have you experienced these car's ultimate ignition cut yet? Its the one where your car disassembles its engine as you understeer straight into a wall. I hear it is quite a remarkable experience!

That cannot happen. The way the car has to be driven to stay out of VSC makes over steer or under steer impossible. As either of those cause the system to activate. Keep in mind this is in an ideal Grand Prix track setting with no ridiculous hair pins. I will repeat VSC is a tool to keep the car neutral. The more the car is neutral, the more one can apply throttle. Calculated fastest time on any track is with maximum time on full throttle. Which means braking as late as possible. Which means ABS vectoring will help prevents uneven wear of tires and overheating. Such as to retain maximum level of tire grip. Grip is what you need to keep the VSC off.
You may not be able to keep your temps high enough or consistently to achieve this. I can. It may cut in early for novices.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by PowderfaceTr.

That cannot happen. The way the car has to be driven to stay out of VSC makes over steer or under steer impossible. As either of those cause the system to activate. Keep in mind this is in an ideal Grand Prix track setting with no ridiculous hair pins. I will repeat VSC is a tool to keep the car neutral. The more the car is neutral, the more one can apply throttle. Calculated fastest time on any track is with maximum time on full throttle. Which means braking as late as possible. Which means ABS vectoring will help prevents uneven wear of tires and overheating. Such as to retain maximum level of tire grip. Grip is what you need to keep the VSC off.
You may not be able to keep your temps high enough or consistently to achieve this. I can. It may cut in early for novices.

So basically, drive slow.

[PowderfaceTr.]

Its a momentum car with shit aero.

I suppose you could drive it like a M3 and get deep into the corner only to be forced to power out of the turn. That is not how one sets record lap times. The fastest lap would without VSC be during your out lap and you'd have torched avons. The freshest of shaved tires wouldn't last a lap driving for fastest possible speed. This isn't drag racing.

Also note That adding up your best sections downloaded from your AIM doesn't constitute a session.